Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red (slur)

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The result was no consensus‎. And none looks to be emerging. Suggest discussing a potential rename on the Talk before bringing this back. Star Mississippi 00:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red (slur)

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Unnecessary WP:INCDAB. 2 of the 3 entries could be summarized by Red (political adjective), which itself redirects to Red#In politics. Meanwhile, Redskin or Red people aren't listed in Red (disambiguation), so its importance is unclear. I don't really see potential for a WP:BROADCONCEPT article. – sgeureka ^t•c 08:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Disambiguations. – sgeureka ^t•c 08:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't seem to be a point to this disambiguation. What's it disambiguating? Nobody would type 'Red (slur)' in, or create a link to this page. They'd just go to Red which should handle the disambiguation, which it does through a link at the top. --Here2rewrite (talk) 12:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete MOS:DABSHORT violation. Neither wikt:red nor Republican_Party_(United_States) attests the "Supporter of" part of "Supporter of the Republican Party (United States)", and I question whether it doesn't simply mean just GOP, which is sourced in Republican_Party_(United_States)#Name_and_symbols. Sources can be found for the other two, but usually don't go in a DAB. Also, WP:NOTDICTIONARY. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 13:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"MOS:DABSHORT violation" can be addressed by relabeling the page as a set index article (instead of a DAB page), so it isn't a strong reason to delete. Jruderman (talk) 12:57, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because it's just misnamed, not inherently problematic. Instead, assuming this AfD concludes without deletion, let's:
1. Relabel the page from WP:Disambiguation to WP:Set index, and
2. Either:
  - Start a move discussion to a more neutral title such as "Red (political epithet)" or "Red (politics)" or "Red in politics", OR
  - Start a merge discussion into Red#In_politics. — Jruderman (talk) 03:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename, but "politics" is wrong, since the ethnic one isn't politics (except in a sense too broad for disambiguation) purposes. Just "epithet" would work better. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A rename to "Red (epithet)" would address the neutrality and precision concerns, but not the concerns about necessity: it is not clear how readers would land at this specific page, rather than, say, "Red (disambiguation)" or the Wiktionary page for "Red".
What do you think of these alternatives?
- Merge and/or redirect to Red (disambiguation)#Politics
- Merge and/or redirect to Red (disambiguation), as a new section #Epithet
- Merge and/or redirect to Red#In politics
- Merge and/or redirect to Political_colour#Red
- Redirect to Redskin, the only one that's really a slur, leaving the modern left/right meanings (often neutral but sometimes used as epithets) for other pages.
Jruderman (talk) 13:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clearly no consensus and discussion ongoing with lots of options brought up. Just a reminder that an AFD can't close with a Move closure, if that is what you want, choose Keep and then start a move discussion afterwards.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. We already have Red (disambiguation), and the Red (political adjective) and Red (racial slur) redirects. So I fail to see the value in Red (slur). Also, I'd hardly call it a "slur" in the context of describing a member of the Republican Party; it's seldom if ever derogatory. Perhaps, as suggested, an Epithet section in Red (disambiguation). GhostOfNoMeme 13:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.