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Add Versatile Video Coding (VVC) … somewhen #5065

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Schweinepriester opened this issue Sep 3, 2019 · 9 comments
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Add Versatile Video Coding (VVC) … somewhen #5065

Schweinepriester opened this issue Sep 3, 2019 · 9 comments

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@Schweinepriester
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Wiki:

End of 2020: First official standard

A bit early, thus "somewhen" ;)

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@haudiobe
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haudiobe commented Feb 3, 2022

Can this be added. CTA WAVE adopted this in their content spec.

@mqudsi
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mqudsi commented Sep 6, 2022

I think H.266/VVC and its siblings LCEVC and EVC should all be added to the chart, even now with all versions of all browsers all represented by red blocks with no support.

It's natural for developers to look up a codec and see if it's supported and we shouldn't punish precocious devs by turning up no results when we know exactly what they mean and what they want to know when they search h.266, vvc, lcevc, or evc.

@Nantris
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Nantris commented Jan 15, 2023

Any update on this? While it may be early for mainstream uses, niche uses that require extreme compression rates need to know what their options are.

@tats-u
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tats-u commented Dec 25, 2023

First of all, the discussion will not begin until GPUs (including iGPUs) support hardware decoding.
Software decoding won't be implemented due to patent fee.

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Nantris commented Jan 10, 2024

Thanks for the explanation @tats-u. Wouldn't it be better though, to add it and say you can't use it yet and add that as a note?

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tats-u commented Jan 10, 2024

@slapbox We can do them only after at least one of Intel, Nvidia, AMD, and Qualcomm start supporting the VVC hardware decoding, Apple announces a plan to support VVC on their OSes or Safari, or VVC Video Extension starts sold in Microsoft Store like HEVC one.
I think it is too early to do them now.

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mqudsi commented Jan 10, 2024

@tats-u I've already mentioned my opinion above, but never got an actual response.

Start with the question of who is the audience of caniuse and what is the goal of the site. It is not MDN. It is a developer resource. If there's a video codec that has gained enough popularity for developers to wonder about, it is natural for it to be listed on the site with all browsers X and a note that says "no browser has announced any plans to support vvc at this time" or whatever. There's really no downside that I can see, since it only comes up when you search for the particular keywords.

Right now, the experience is extremely suboptimal: a developer arrives at CIU and searches "vvc" and gets no results. They don't know if this is because VVC isn't supported anywhere or if it's because CIU simply hasn't listed VVC support anywhere.

Explicitly listing it with zero browser support makes it clear to the developer which of those two possibilities is the matter.

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tats-u commented Jan 10, 2024

@mqudsi you are right. We have to convince visitors that it is too hard for browsers to support VVC by themselves for the above reasons.

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