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Use of sources

Can a television advertisement be used a source for dating a products availability to a decade when you can not find the exact release date of a product Sharnadd (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Sharnadd, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think this would be acceptable: in my view it would be original research. ColinFine (talk) 09:37, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

@Sharnadd Wikipedians can be remarkably good at finding sources if you give them key pieces of information. So, you could mention that you want to get an approximate date by posting on the talk page of the article, if it has lots of watchers, or maybe in one of the WP:Reference desks. One possibility would be to find a published newspaper advert for the product and cite that as a date it was certainly available. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

great advise will do that thanks sure it must be out there somewhere Sharnadd (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine and Michael D. Turnbull: The difficult thing about this situation is that this information from the advertisement seems to have just gone unnoticed from people that have written about ketchup chips. I did a lot of research when I was trying to make this a GA and even after. I read a book about Canadian snack food history. I went through every mention of "ketchup chips" at newspapers.com. I haven't come across this before and it's important because it throws another country into the mix for "had this the decade it was invented" (people are unsure about whether they were invented in Canada or the United States first, just that it happened around the same time). It's frustrating when sources seem to have an obvious blindspot but there's not really much one can do about that other than hope someone does actually write about it someday. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:15, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Sometimes this sort of product will have associated patents which could be used to get approximate dates. However, Google Patents doesn't seem to have any useful hits for the keywords ketchup + chips. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:50, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

And the English company that did them in the 70s got taken over by walkers 20 years ago Sharnadd (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes the only.patent that comes up with anything is a British one to add flavour to crisps and that's from 1938. Tomato is listed with a lot of other things and nothing to say the product went public Sharnadd (talk) 18:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm sure that it is frutrating; but Wikipedia holds to its standards for WP:verifiability: if you can't verify it (and, more to the point, if a reader in another continent in two years' time has no way of verifying it) then it shouldn't be in the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I wasn't disagreeing with you at all, there's two discussions on my talk page related to how I don't think this content can be included for that reason (and also because of OR concerns). I'm not entirely sure Sharnadd fully understands that there's not much that can be done at this point, though. I was just trying to sympathize that such an experience can be frustrating. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:47, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

I fully understand that a newspaper article and a primary source can not be used for information. Yes it is frustrating as there must be an actual date out of there of when they were released in the UK in the 70s. Sharnadd (talk) 05:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Sharnadd: Okay, I'm glad to hear that we mostly appear to be on the same page now. Primary sources aren't prohibited entirely, though. Otherwise that editor above wouldn't have tried to see if a patent existed. It's the synthesis aspect that matters here. The ad in the source doesn't give a date for when they introduced ketchup chips. Hopefully that makes sense?

I hope you don't find that information too discouraging. Feel free to ask me (or come back here to the Teahouse) if you're having trouble with anything in the future... I notice that a lot of people have left templated messages on your talk page but sometimes a more human touch can work better. I remember what it was like to be a newish editor, even if was ages ago by now. But that general sense of confusion and not knowing if I was doing things right or not isn't something I can easily forget. Perhaps your experience is different, though. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Article ready for review??

hello, I have been working to get a page together on an Australian poet, Jim Gordon.( Draft:James Gordon (poet))

I have been working with Fritzmann2002 as a mentor but have not heard from him for quite a while.

My last message to him was to ask if he could have a look at the latest draft and advise if he thought it was ready to be put up for review - would be happy for some feedback on this as it's been sitting around for a while now.

many thanks

RomeoHT RomeoHT (talk) 02:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

It's fascinating, RomeoHT, but I regret to say that the references are formatted most oddly. I thought I'd have a go at explaining what has gone wrong and how to fix it, but I quickly realized that I was too tired to do this effectively (or perhaps to do it at all). I encourage some other person here who both (i) knows their way around referencing and (ii) can devote twenty minutes or longer to diagnosis and explanation, to have a try. Once the references are fixed, there's some humdrum editing work to be done. (As an example: You'd call the subject "Jim" when needing to distinguish him from one or more others surnamed Gordon. Otherwise, he's "Gordon". Thus not "Leigh is holding Jim's scrapbook" but instead "Marchant is holding Gordon's scrapbook". Though of course if you quote something that refers to him as "Jim", you leave this as is.) After the needed work has been done on this draft, it should qualify as an article (and a very readable one too). -- Hoary (talk) 09:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

@RomeoHT For general referencing help, see this page. You are going to want to use a lot of {{cite news}} templates for the references from The Irrigator. I believe that that newspaper has been digitised and it would be great if you could link out to the digital copies for your references. Several references cite letters. I'm afraid that these can't be used unless published somewhere (even if in an obscure library). Verification by readers is a key Wikipedia policy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:59, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

The Irrigator is available at newspapers.com:

• "The Murrumbidgee Irrigator Archive". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2025-05-29.

Peaceray (talk) 17:52, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Please see my comments at Draft talk:James Gordon (poet). It seems that among the linked data sources, he was better known as Jim Grahame. The draft should be renamed to that name. Peaceray (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I thought so too but, on reflection, as he had 3 pen names, I suggest the page should be named as is. Suggest, see new lead/lede. ash (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

@ash: He might have had three pen names, but Jim Grahame is the WP:COMMONNAME. Have a look at the linked data:

Peaceray (talk) 03:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

RomeoHT, on Draft talk:James Gordon (poet), I've posted a recipe for fixing the references. -- Hoary (talk) 22:19, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I've copy-edited the page and turned the manual citations into "basic" inline citations but suggest these basic citations need to be tidied up before the page is submitted for review. (Will come back to them if I can.) - ash (talk) 12:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

thank you for that! Have added titles to the references that were missing them - another step forward!

cheers

RomeoHT 2403:5818:E461:0:8590:1B3F:C0F6:F2E8 (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@RomeoHT I think the draft is good enough for review now. (Good luck.) ash (talk) 15:05, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

thanks - I am now just trying to work out how to remove 2 of the references that relate to personal letters - references 12 and 15 - as I understand these are not useful for this type of article.

Can you help?

cheers,

RomeoHT RomeoHT (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I left them in. They're fine in the circumstances - because you've got sufficient reliable secondary sources. If you can find more information about them, particularly a link to where they exist or a url, you can add that later. You can also add independent secondary sources later.

By the way, the page has been reviewed and published.

-ash (talk) 12:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

@RomeoHT: But to answer your question, when you click on "edit" at the top, you enter visual editing. You can just highlight the references, press delete, and save the page.

But I'd leave them because you haven't got a better source and the information will be hidden. I would suggest you do what @Hoary suggested and look for copies of the dox in publicly accessible archives. Have you tried archive.org? ash (talk) 13:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I thought I actually tried that a couple of times with no luck..........but thanks for the clue.

The page has been published!?.............not really sure how that happened but ok, that was the point of the exercise!!

thanks

RomeoHT RomeoHT (talk) 13:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Outdated List

I found this list that is outdated and obsolete. Should I archive it or merge the contents into a more comprehensive page? I tried editing it, but it requires basically a rewrite. I am now wondering what I should do with it. Also are autoconfirmed users allowed to archive lists/articles? KimAtSTEM (talk) 07:58, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, KimAtSTEM. There is no requirement that an article be up to date, although updating articles is a good thing to do. With seven million articles now, it is inevitable that many articles should be updated, but should is not the same as must. Archiving is a process that applies to talk pages and noticeboards, but does not apply to articles, and list articles are articles. Obsolete is not a concept that we apply to encyclopedia articles because notability is not temporary and even outdated articles are of historic interest and provide the basis for expansion and improvement. Merging is a possibility if there is an appropriate target. See WP:MERGE for details. Making the article "go away" is not an option unless it never should have been created in the first place, which seems unlikely. The least you can do is express your concerns in detail at Talk: Train routes in the Netherlands. You could then tag the article with Template:Update. Cullen328 (talk) 08:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Got it, thank you! KimAtSTEM (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

I can’t Log In!

So, unfortunately, I was logged out of my account, and whenever I try to log in, the following text message appears: “There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking.” It also further mentions that it may be due to my cookie settings. Well, I can’t access that due to this exact problem. If anyone could help me, I’d be very thankful. BTW, my account is “Long-live-ALOPUS”. 2405:201:550B:B035:4D53:E7E5:E095:579 (talk) 12:19, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Clear the browser cache and try agian. Fade258 (talk) 12:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

I’ve tried it, and it still isn’t working... what can I now do? 2405:201:550B:B035:4D53:E7E5:E095:579 (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Do a hard refresh (ctrl + F5) and try again. If that doesn't work, try logging in from a different device. WP:VPT might be a better place for tech issues like this. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:06, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

I use an iPad, and I don’t have a PC. 2405:201:550B:B035:E97F:4EF2:5810:DF76 (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

On an iPad or iPhone, you can refresh a browser page by dragging your finger down the screen until a spinning circle appears, then let go and the page should refresh. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 01:04, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

I tried it, and it hasn’t worked! I believe it’s because I’ve completed one year of being an editor, but if that’s the case, it wouldn’t explain why I’m able to log in with my mom’s phone... 2405:201:550B:B035:558D:AC4E:10A7:1B6C (talk) 05:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

What should I do now?! Nothing is working... 2405:201:550B:B035:CC34:4198:F447:A17 (talk) 08:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

But instead of the English Wikipedia, I’m able to log in to the Arabic and Hindi Wikipedia p, as well as Wikispecies... 2405:201:550B:B035:E97F:4EF2:5810:DF76 (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

You may be able to delete the cookies in Safari on the iPad. But I do not know how that is done. That should properly log you off. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Well, I want to log IN. And, I can’t p, and IDK why... it just rejects everything and says it incountered a problem. I’ve deleted the cookies, but nothing is working. 2405:201:550B:B035:FC82:3345:E73B:F763 (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Ask on WP:VPT, giving details of the device you are using. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Done that. Thank you all for your help! 2405:201:550B:B035:2C3C:1B6A:52CB:259A (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Aircraft in fiction fix?

I just added that I saw the F-117 was featured in the movie The Philadelphia Experiment 2 and when I saw the article on the F-117 I saw it wasn’t mentioning the appearance of the plane in the movie so I added that it appeared as The Phoenix in that film is it okay? Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:09, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Lordofcallofduty Your edit doesn’t seem to have any citation! Wikipedia doesn’t allow unsourced claims or personal observations. I’d suggest adding a reliable source, or it will be removed. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 04:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Did you even see the article on the movie Philadelphia Experiment 2 it says F-117 so when I checked the aircraft in fiction on it I didn’t see it Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:03, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

@Lordofcallofduty The details about the aircraft in both articles don’t have citations to verify them. As mentioned earlier, please try finding a reliable source to support your claim. Pls see WP:V and WP:OR. Unsourced or original observations can’t be included. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 02:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

The film has the F-117 as the Phoenix so I wanted to make it clear that the F-117 appeared in the film

I was trying to help! Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@Lordofcallofduty Adding uncited content and calling it help doesn’t really work on Wikipedia, does it? Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 06:03, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I saw it had it and I tried to help I didn’t know this would happen! Lordofcallofduty (talk) 10:35, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Cambio di nome

it:Utente:GrawkTheCubeGuy/Sandbox potete cambiare il nome a "Mr. Man"? Grazie. GrawkTheCubeGuy (talk) 16:39, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @GrawkTheCubeGuy. This is the Teahouse for English Wikipedia. Try asking at it:WP:SI. ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

sorry yeah, i meant can you please change this article's name to Mr. Man? Thanks (here's the article it:Utente:GrawkTheCubeGuy/Sandbox) GrawkTheCubeGuy (talk) 19:51, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@GrawkTheCubeGuy: Welcome to The Teahouse. As ColinFine pointed out, this is the English Wikipedia; the Italian Wikipedia is a separate project. You need to communicate with someone on the Italian Wikipedia, not here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:54, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

draft J-Corry (rapper)

The article about J-Corry needs to be here because he is a big important person/artist. Active for over 30 years. His discography speaks for itself. I have the same opinion, there should be many more references. Somebody should put pressure on those magazines and labels to put J-Corry in the spotlight. His rap catalogue speaks for itself. There also need to be pictures for the wikipedia entry, I'm looking if I'll find matching ones. The article about J-Corry stays on wikipedia, because he has over 1 million fans. He is a public figure. I've found some good references but I don't know if they do qualify for wikipedia, J-Corry is also an artist in the Wu-Tang team what's real big he's a Wu-Tang Affiliate, so he is also featured in that multi rap promo network Wu-Tang Familia: 108000 subscribers youtube network I think that's proof enough. https://www.youtube.com/@WUTANGFAMILIA/ https://www.youtube.com/@WUTANGFAMILIA/featured

Here's another reference with J-Corry evidence, a couple of his albums are listed on this musicshop site: https://www.discogs.com/artist/5371216-J-Corry https://www.discogs.com/label/1100071-Murdah-Records 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

wikipedia page J-Corry (rapper) Draft:J-Corry (Rapper)

move it from draft to official

The man has made 13 albums and 600 mixtapes, that's the best reference if you ask me. 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry, IP user, but nothing you have said there has any relevance to Wikipedia, and your draft is nothing like a Wikipedia article.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. Listings don't do it. Availabilty on distribution channels doesn't do it. Numbers of downloads or subscribers or fans don't do it. Anything written or published by the subject, or his associates, doesn't do it.

Until you have found several sources which meet all the criteria in WP:42, you will not have an article, and you will be wasting your time and everybody else's in trying.

By all means persuade some independent critics to write in depth about him, and be published in reliable sources: if that happens, then an article may be possible. But not until then. ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

I say the skills and talent count. J-CORRY 's discography speaks for itself.

Maybe there are hip hop magazines like Source that wrote articles about him, search for it, google finds a lot about him. You don't need to be in the charts or win awards to be on wikipedia, I see lots of nonsense articles over here.

I'm bringing out a real legend, J-Corry. ceo of Murdah Records and Wu-Tang Affiliate, and team Cardano. The man is known for hits like "King Of My Kingdom" "Bring It On" "Storm FT Redman" "Get Money FT Candy Buck" "Rap Apocalypso Show" "Bitcoin Da Discovery Of Da Century" "Street Freestyle" and many more. Some of them were ina rap charts indeed.

He has made 13 albums and over 600 mixtapes. Thats the proof for wikipedia, the product itself.

No unneccessary popular social stuff that has nothin to do with the topic itself, the rap artist J-Corry. That's the principal. By the way J-Corry has had an article on wikipedia but it got vanished by idiots.

His discography alone is long enough to qualify for a wikipedia article. He's active since 1994.

I'm paid to get this article together, so how goes this foreward? You better listen his albums, in case you don't know.

I expect a productive feedback, the wikipedia article about J-Corry should be finished end june 2025. 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

There is no deadline, and regular editors are volunteers. If you are being paid to create an article, you must disclose this. See Paid-contribution disclosure and possibly When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 22:25, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

IP user, exactly which criteria in WP:MUSICBIO does this rapper meet? ~Anachronist (talk) 19:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

A couple of those, he has chart rap hits, albums & mixtapes

but no award or sumtn like this or I don't know about that.

He doesn't need that mainstream commercial stuff that's not required for a wikipedia article, hundreds of articles here without that.

Well, J-Corry is a worldwide known person ina underground hip hop scene wit lots of friendships such as Redman, Candy Buck, Canibus, Black Ghost and more. 30 years active ina rap game speaks for itself, and his rap catalogue of 13 albums and over 500 mixtapes speaks for itself. I say the skills and talent count. J-CORRY 's discography speaks for itself.

Maybe there are hip hop magazines like Source that wrote articles about him, search for it, google finds a lot about him. You don't need to be in the charts or win awards to be on wikipedia, I see lots of nonsense articles over here.

I'm bringing out a real legend, J-Corry. ceo of Murdah Records and Wu-Tang Affiliate, and team Cardano. The man is known for hits like "King Of My Kingdom" "Bring It On" "Storm FT Redman" "Get Money FT Candy Buck" "Rap Apocalypso Show" "Bitcoin Da Discovery Of Da Century" "Street Freestyle" and many more. Some of them were ina rap charts indeed.

He has made 13 albums and over 600 mixtapes. Thats the proof for wikipedia, the product itself.

No unneccessary popular social stuff that has nothin to do with the topic itself, the rap artist J-Corry. That's the principal. By the way J-Corry has had an article on wikipedia but it got vanished by idiots.

His discography alone is long enough to qualify for a wikipedia article. He's active since 1994.

I'm paid to get this article together, so how goes this foreward? You better listen his albums, in case you don't know.

I expect a productive feedback, the wikipedia article about J-Corry should be finished end june 2025. 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

To get an article on J-Corry accepted, you'll need to find and cite several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of him. Or, I guess, you could persuade someone else to do the work for you; but as it's you who's being paid, I wouldn't expect that to happen. Writing about him here won't help at all. Maproom (talk) 19:04, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

"he has chart rap hits, albums & mixtapes". So, cite a source proving he has a hit on a recognized national chart. Albums don't count if they're self-published or from his own label or a private label, needs to be from a label that has a roster of many artists. Mixtapes are irrelevant. Anyone can make mixtapes. I've made dozens. That doesn't make me notable. Who he's friends with is irrelevant because notability isn't inherited. As yet, you have offered zero evidence of notability. Hand-waving about his productivity are just your claims and they are meaningless unless you can cite published sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

other editing suggestions

What are some other ways to help improve wikipedia that most of you participate in on a regular basis? Copyediting? Reverting vandalism? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Copyediting, reverting vandalism, finding sources (there are many articles with "citation needed" tags), reviewing draft submissions (if you have qualified to be a reviewer), responding to edit requests (see Category:Wikipedia edit requests, especially Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest edit requests), new page patrolling (there's always a backlog), commenting on WP:AFD nominations. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

IMO, there are hands-down two tasks to spend your copious available editing time on. One is inter-language links. These alert the reader to the availability of an article which doesn't exist on enwiki but does exist on some other language wiki. Users won't think to go look around on other wikis (or in many cases, even be aware of how to use wikidata for this purpose). By adding interwiki links, you facilitate access to the non-enwiki articles.

The other really worthwhile thing to spend your time on is urls (whether in citations, references, additional reading, or elsewhere). You can hardly avoid discovering broken links, at least if you make a habit of clicking on them. If we had bots that were doing this job effectively, I presume I wouldn't always be coming across non-working links (assuming that they were fixable). Resolving broken links (especially if your goal is to find acceptable links that actually allow you to access the content) can be very tedious. OTOH, it's satisfying when you find one.

These are both outright wins, with nobody arguing that your article topic isn't notable or that your sources aren't reliable. Please message me directly if you are looking for tips on performing these task or have other related questions. Fabrickator (talk) 23:36, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Anachronist I currently new page patrol, comment on AfD nominations, copyedit, find sources, but have not reverted vandalism. What is the best way to find that and to revert it most effectively? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

See WP:CUV and WP:CVU. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Seems really inefficient to me. I keep clicking on things to undo and someone beats me to it each and every single time. That is a good "problem", but does not seem like something very helpful to spend time on then. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't know of a "best way" to clean up vandalism. I do almost everything manually, and don't rely on any automated tools except for the ones provided for article reviewing. If someone beats me to a revert (not often because many of the pages on my watch list aren't heavily visited pages), I go and look at what else the vandal has done, and I either revert or report.

Fabrikator makes a good point; cleaning up dead links, finding equivalent pages in archive.org, is worthwhile to do. As is what I mentioned where things are tagged "citation needed" - either find a citation or remove the statement, although I sometimes leave it alone if I can't find a citation but the statement looks reasonable. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Help.

“Hi, I’ve drafted a neutral, sourced article about an emerging Nigerian singer named Roxy Layne. I’d appreciate it if an experienced editor could review or help me format and submit the article through the Article Wizard.” Whoisrenyin (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

I have moved your draft page from your talk page to User:Whoisrenyin/Sandbox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:49, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Whoisrenyin, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please see my reply to a previous question on this page.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Whoisrenyin The most obvious problem with your draft is that it provides only one source and that is an Apple Music page, so not independent of Layne. I suspect you have been writing your draft backwards and you should read that link to see why that's a bad idea. By Wikipedia policy all biographies of living people must contain full incline citations. They also need to show how the person is wikinotable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Making a aricle

How do you make an article? Randomizemyusername (talk) 21:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Not as exemplified in your list of contributions so far. Welcome to Wikipedia. It's an encyclopedia. We hope that an encyclopedia is what you're looking for. If it is, just look for the links that Wikipedia has helpfully splattered around this very page (e.g. "Learn to edit"), click those that seem useful, read them, and digest them. If you have questions about what you've read, feel free to ask here. -- Hoary (talk) 21:56, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

See WP:FIRST. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:36, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Sandbox Randomizemyusername (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

I made my first articlr Randomizemyusername (talk) 17:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Did you read WP:FIRST? Right at the top, it says "The article you write must include citations to the sources you used." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Николаев Николаевская обл.

В Николаеве все говорят на русском языке,украинский язык используют только жители сельской местности.Так жителей села отличают от городских 85.238.102.57 (talk) 01:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi! This is the English Wikipedia, so please communicate in English. GoldRomean (talk) 02:06, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

@GoldRomean: This is The Teahouse. We welcome questions from all who ask them in good faith. If you can't help, please leave it to others to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Your point seems to relate to Mykolaiv; you can raise it on Talk:Mykolaiv or, if you prefer to write in Russian, at Wikipedia talk:Local Embassy.

[ Ваша точка зрения, похоже, касается Mykolaiv; вы можете поднять ее на Talk:Mykolaiv или, если вы предпочитаете писать по-русски, на Wikipedia talk:Local Embassy. ] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

removing my edit

i posted clear info on my favorite actor and was wrongfully reverted by Ahnn 47.154.113.183 (talk) 04:09, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Your Edit was not constructive at all. Untamed1910 (talk) 04:24, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

The person you're referring to is Dwayne Johnson, not Duane Johnson (the article you edited). Also if you want to discuss with me please create a new discussion instead of editing old discussions on my talk page. Thank you. Annh07 (talk) 04:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

This is a page for asking for advice on how to edit Wikipedia, not an appeal court.

Follow WP:DR and discuss your edits on the article talk page or the talk page of the editor concerned. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:15, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Incorrect "Did you know ..."

For June 1, the "Did you know ..." "... that no other month in a calendar year starts with the same day of the week as June?" is incorrect.  The month of May is also like June.  They both start on unique days of the week.  May however is the only month that start and ends on a unique day of the week. Beatles777! (talk) 07:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

@Beatles777! Hi, The accuracy of that fact depends on the specific year. For 2025, June does start on a unique weekday. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 07:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Sure. But so does May. Maproom (talk) 07:56, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

June is the only month in 2025 that begins on a Sunday. May does have a unique weekday pattern, but the statement refers only to starting weekdays. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 08:05, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

@Beatles777!: The statement doesn't claim that June is the only month with this property. May also has it as you say. It makes the statement less interesting but not wrong. August also has the property except in leap years. May and June has it in all years. I also checked the Gregorian calendar in 1582 where ten days were skipped in October. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

"No other month" Can lead one to believe that June is the only month. even if you're just referring to this year or excluding week ends. 50.235.176.226 (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Can I get my ban to be reverted back?

Currently I am facing a life ban from editing Wikipedia and I am in a desperate situation to prove my mettle and continue to share my passion in writing up articles. I know its not easy to get a second chance in life as it is a principle familiar to everyone in common. I admit my mistakes regarding being lengthy articles and copyright issues. I want to come back and do my best. I can possibly make sure to ensure the quality of the articles and hope that the admins can cut me some slack and relax the restrictions imposed on me. I regret of not complying with certain guidelines, but I am trying to make a comeback of all sorts to go back to the drawing board to maintain a standardized way of writing. Just like Indian cricketer Karun Nair's famous lines "Dear Cricket, Give me one more chance" I want to echo the same feelings right now with my own version of "Dear Wikipedia, Give me one more chance". Abishe (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

@Abishe Though I’m not an admin, your block was due to repeated copyright issues WP:COPYVIO and poor-quality edits WP:NOT, WP:COMPETENCE despite previous warnings. You'll need to show clear understanding of the rules to request an unblock. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 07:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

See WP:Standard offer for one approach.a Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Denavit-Hartenberg Parameters Calculator Addition

Hello,

Wikipedia article in reference: Denavit–Hartenberg parameters

I am a robotics student and during 3rd year we had to compute these parameters quite often. 4x4 matrices multiplied up to 4-6 of each (depending on robot) is alot of calculation thats extremely human-error prone.

I made tools for this (albeit in rust for CLI to use with my classmates) but I was wondering if I was allowed to make a HTML version of the calculator under Unlicense, open-source code and hosted on github pages (or another site suggested by you) and link it at the end with a section called "Online calculator". It will be a plain HTML site with just 3x6 or 3x4 grid of inputs, one simple button "calculate" and printed underneath the resultant matrix to help other students/engineers.

Is this allowed and follows wikipedia's principle of open, ad-free, shared knowledge or not allowed?

Thank you! FcGod (talk) 09:16, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse. Please raise a discussion on the article's talk page: Talk:Denavit–Hartenberg parameters (you can then post a short pointer to that discussion, on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Robotics.) If there is consensus to include it, it will need to go in a section headed "External links", at the foot of the page. See also WP:EL. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Are YouTube videos qualified as reliable sources?

To whom it may concern,

I am very new here and just started writing a page of a living person. Currently, I have a problem with researching for written sources since some of the information I gathered is found from interview videos which I will then search for written sources for citations.

However, I am unable to find a solid written sources on some of the information, except for the interview videos on YouTube.

Moreover, regarding the person's past works, especially music videos, cannot be found on articles or other media except for YouTube videos.

So now I am worried if the YouTube videos are considered reliable sources. I have tried researching for the answer on tutorials and guides but still find no valid answer.

Please help clarifying the criteria of using the videos as sources for my future research.

Best -JinUtama (talk) 19:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

They are reliable sources when you what to confirm that a person said something. However you should specify that this is just the words of particular person: "Mr. Smith said that he was the smartest person on the Earth". Ruslik_Zero 19:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

YouTube videos are only considered reliable sources if they are from a reputable news outlet or similar on their verified channel. 331dot (talk) 19:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Interviews, however, are not an independent source, as by definition an interview is the person speaking about themselves. As such, interviews cannot establish notability. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind replies and noted.

This clarifies a lot. Meaning if the information is debatable, I should find the solid and reputable sources, otherwise I should write down as the person 'claim' to do that.

What's about the person personal information? As I got a comment asking for the source of the person's birthdate and education, would it be reliable to refer to the interview as the source? (If I cannot find a solid written source)

-JinUtama (talk) 19:37, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

As I suggested, you can't just use any random YouTube video- but if the interview is uploaded to a news outlet's verified channel, you can cite the interview for basic information(see WP:PRIMARY). 331dot (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Crystal clear. :)

JinUtama (talk) 19:46, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

JinUtama, please be aware of the restrictions in WP:ABOUTSELF. We should never include a person's grandiose claim that they are "the smartest person on the Earth" or anything similar, even if attributed as just a claim. Such claims require independent sourcing. You must ensure that the YouTube channel in question is not violating any copyrights. Wikipedia is more stringent about copyright compliance than YouTube is.Cullen328 (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

I think the "smartest person on Earth" claim was just a random example of a self-claim created by Ruslik_Zero in an answer above: the OP's subject is a Thai actor, who seems unlikely to have made such a claim, and I can't see it anywhere in the Draft's revision history :-). {The poster formerly knowna s 87.81.230.195} 90.192.228.242 (talk) 22:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Cullen328 90.192.228.242

Well noted and do appreciate your input.

All in all, every information needs to be solid provable fact, and the sources should be notable and undeniable trustworthy ones, or as close as possible.

Since I plan to write many more subjects from Thailand, so I started with a living person.

Because, I thought it would be easier for me to study from approved and good living people's page on wikipedia. If I can make this work, I'll move further to more difficult ones that require more time to research and fact check, like important places, museums, and so on. :) JinUtama (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

That is why I added "or anything similar" to my comment. Cullen328 (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Not able to make constructive edits to wikipedia.

I attempted to add commons public domain files for Marx Brothers. These were video taken from the public domain film The Cocoanuts of Harpo plaing harp and Chico playing piano. I was told to reach consensus to add them, but I don't think a converation will take place in months if I submit to the talk page.

Granted the Laurel and Hardy edit may have been warranted, but it was simply a revert back to 2021 when a higher quality black and white publicity shot was the lead, and what I felt was better suited than a colourized still. MarcoMarxBrother (talk) 21:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet of Oatsandcream, see investigation)

You don't need to wait forever for a general conversation to take place and conclude; but you at least should discuss with the editors that reverted you. If discussion with the editors fails to reach a consensus, you can move to dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Question On Article Count

Was going to post at Talk:Main page but apparently that's protected.

Just looking at the 'article count' on Special:Statistics which currently states as of writing 7,002,587 articles and looking at its documentation, seems to include disambiguation pages which according to MOS:DAB are NOT articles. So subtracting the count from Category:All article disambiguation pages (367,187) from the total gives us 6,635,400 articles.

Then there is also Category:Temporary maintenance holdings/RFD (174) which I think the article count includes them as "articles", and the subcats of Category:Wikipedia interwiki soft redirects (2612) and also the Main Page. So there may be 6,632,614 articles assuming that everything has been tagged correctly.

So have we really reached 7,000,000 'articles'? 115.188.96.12 (talk) 23:09, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Special:Statistics doesn't claim there are 7 million articles. There are 7 million content pages. Disambiguation pages are content. Redirects are main-space pages that have no content, so they aren't counted. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Self created topic

Hi, I'm GasterPollo/Cast, I was about to write an article about a religion/philosophical view I made myself so others have an easy way of knowing about it, so, I was reading the basics on article creation and it says to cite anything related to it, but since I made the religion/philosophical view myself, I don't really have any reliable sources to cite, so what should I do? GasterPollo (talk) 00:21, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

There is nothing you can do, other than use social media or a personal website to tell the world about your ideas. Wikipedia is the last place to write about a topic, not the first. Wikipedia only can after others have, because Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources choose to say about a topic. See WP:MADEUP. 331dot (talk) 00:23, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you :) GasterPollo (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Citing a Radio Show

One of my articles was recently declined for lack of sources, and I have a bunch of radio show segments that could serve as sources, but I have no idea how to cite them. Is there a way that I could do that? WhyFencePost (talk) 01:14, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Are those radio show segments durably archived somewhere? If so, you can use the template {{cite AV media}} to create pre-formatted citations. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Question about independence in this case, if the copy of the talk show is hosted on the website that is not independent, but the producing talk show is, is it permissible to include the talk show using the link from the non-independent site? Its for a play, and they got talked about on the show in to celebrate it put it on their site and it is one of the few records that survive. WhyFencePost (talk) 02:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, certainly. As long as the original talk show is produced by an independent entity, it doesn't matter where it is hosted. Even if the source was not independent, it is still permissible to cite it for basic non-controversial facts. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Perfect thank you, yes it is completely independant (a radio show talking about a high school) WhyFencePost (talk) 02:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Article Creation Rejection

Link to the draft: Draft:Brandon D. Smith

I’m trying to figure out what would be the difference between the draft of the Brandon D. Smith page being rejected and a similar page like Michael Bird (theologian) being accepted? That might help me understand whether I am including the right sources or whether this page just isn’t viable. Thank you!! ProtestantThot (talk) 01:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@ProtestantThot: First, let me say that other things existing isn't really a good argument to try and make usually. For example, if that article you point out (Michael Bird) was at AfC today, it probably wouldn't be accepted, because there's only one strong and independent source - a local news source (Houston Chronicle). The first thing I'd recommend you do is to consider which of your sources are truly independent. Many of them are written by or partially by the subject of the article. That means they are not independent of him. This includes the biography from the university, which is often written by or in collaboration with the individual it's about, for example. Non-independent sources aren't necessarily prohibited - for example they can be used for information about a person from their own, confirmed social media account. But they don't contribute to notability - in other words, they don't contribute to someone qualifying for an article.

The general criteria to qualify for an article is that there should be A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Things like book awards and the like aren't really "significant" coverage, and they are often not independent of the subject. And in any case, they generally provide significant coverage of the book, rather than the author. If there are no instances of significant, independent coverage of him, then he likely doesn't qualify for an article. Some examples of this would be if he is discussed in newspaper articles - not interviews or the like, because those aren't independent. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 01:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@ProtestantThot

See WP:OTHERSTUFF Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

FNaF World update

This article is out of date because it fails to acknowledge update 2 in its entirety, for example it states that the game has 40 characters when due the aforementioned update 2 it now has 48 characters.

I am asking for help to edit this article.FNaF World 2600:1700:7A72:6A10:60A6:B013:8893:4C99 (talk) 02:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

This is very important. First world problems right here. 2600:1015:B14D:CFA1:B078:D739:11A2:E7E9 (talk) 02:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources? If yes just be bold. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I've played the game my self using the freeware from game jolt and the article is in fact out of date. 2600:1700:7A72:6A10:60A6:B013:8893:4C99 (talk) 03:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

"played the game my self" is not a reliable source; see WP:OR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:21, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

There's a 157% speed run of FNAF world where all characters must be collected, which ends up numbering 48. 2600:1015:B14D:CFA1:B078:D739:11A2:E7E9 (talk) 03:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not the most familiar in regards to video games articles, so i would suggest finding Wikiproject Video games instead. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Creating a Wikipedia page

I want to make a wikipedia page for my close friend who is an author, speaker and cancer and disability advocate. He has authored numerous book. Can anyone help in creating a page for free if I submit all the details? Please Milibora (talk) 04:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

You're going to have to do it yourself. The Wikipedia:Article wizard can help guide you through it, especially since you have just declared that you have a conflict of interest.

First, however, read Wikipedia:Golden Rule. Before you write a single word about your friend, find multiple sources (at least two or three) that meet all three of the Golden Rule criteria. Absolutely don't start out writing what you know and then try to find sources only afterward. That's called writing WP:BACKWARD. You want to write forward.

If you cannot find adequate published significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of your friend, then don't try to write an article, because it would never be accepted without such sources. Don't ask anyone else to do it for you either without such sources in hand, because no good Wikipedia editor would start writing an article without having the sources first. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Milibora, sorry, but contrary to previous advice, generally speaking you should not attempt to create a Wikipedia page about your friend yourself (see WP:COI for the reasons why). In addition, if your friend is not notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word, the most likely outcome is that the article will be deleted. Your original idea, namely, to provide details and let someone else do it, is feasible in theory, but as Wikipedia is a volunteer site, the most likely outcome is that no one will volunteer and no article will be written. If you still want more info, despite the extremely slim chance of this working out, please reply below. Mathglot (talk) 05:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

That's not what WP:COI says. The advice given by Anachronist is correct. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Editors with a conflict of interest are "strongly discouraged from editing affected articles" (quoted from WP:COI). In addition, a brand new user with one edit at Wikipedia like yourself generally should not be creating a new article, it takes a while to acquire the requisite skills and is a recipe for frustration. That said, there is always WP:IAR, so if you decide to proceed anyway, see WP:YFA for guidance. Mathglot (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Since you quote WP:COI, you will know it also says "Editors with a COI should ... put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly"

The Article Wizard, which Anachronist recommended, guides people to AfC, not article space.

Also, I am not "a brand new user with one edit at Wikipedia ". HTH. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Talk page

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I have asked another user to stay off my talk page, but then they came back to it, as well as seem to be following my edits around in many areas all of a sudden. What is the standard recourse here? Iljhgtn (talk) 10:00, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Follow the process described at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, per the guideline on the use of user pages, you may remove comments on your own talk page that you do not wish to have there. You are within your rights to ask other users to stay off your Talk page; see WP:USERTALKSTOP for details. If they keep coming back regardless, ask again, and if that still doesn't work, you could either go to WP:AN, or request admin help by asking an administrator to intervene right on your Talk page, by adding {{Help admin}} to the discussion along with your request for help. Finally, if they appear to be following you around at several different articles see WP:HOUNDING for how to respond, but first assume good faith–it could be they have some similar articles on their watchlist. But if you believe hounding is a problem, once again, first ask them to stop, but if the behavior persists, request help from an admin. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 14:47, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I looked at the conversation up until you wrote "stop your threats" but I saw no threats, just civil discourse and an admonition against making personal remarks, which was appropriate. That particular editor you're referring to is an administrator, and the job of an administrator is to ensure stability of the Wikipedia project. If you have attracted an admin's attention as someone who could potentially be disruptive (particularly if there's a misunderstanding of what "no consensus" actually means), it is understandable that the administrator will monitor your activity. I also monitor other editors (mostly paid editors) until I am confident that they aren't going to be a source of instability. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

This particular administrator was also sternly warned for their behavior by arbcom related to a massive campaign which then resulted in indef-blocks and numerous topic bans for many other editors that were editing similar subject matter to the warned admin. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:20, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Dealing with topic bans

If an account was topic banned, what does that mean for dealing with the subject matter where the topic banned account was heavily involved and was topic banned? If there was a "consensus" formed for example with heavy involvement of topic banned accounts, does that mean that consensus is null and void? Would a new consensus need to be formed? I have read Wikipedia:BANREVERT but it is not entirely clear to me. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:05, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

If the consensus was formed before the ban, it stands.

That does not preclude you from starting a new discussion to propose changing consensus, if there is a good reason (not just "They were banned!") to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Advice needed for my first page!

Hello, I am trying to publish this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Exposure-based_modeling_of_operational_risk

I am struggling as it get rejected, probably by bots, and I don't know what to do next to improve it! Thank you in advance for any help you can provide! Patnaim (talk) 10:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@Patnaim first of all, there are no bots; every reviewer is human. The main problem is your draft reads more like an academic essay rather than an encyclopedic article. I would start by removing all claims not supported by a source (which is most of the draft) and summarizing the information in a neutral manner. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:33, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@CanonNi Thanks for your advice. I'll try my best, but that does not look simple! Patnaim (talk) 20:25, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Patnaim, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thanks for your help. I guess you're right.

A long time ago I wrote this page https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9seau_bay%C3%A9sien and it went through immediately. But this was probably easier at that time.

I will take the necessary time to learn, thanks again! Patnaim (talk) 20:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Rejection of an article

I still don't understand why my article was rejected. Its because of sources, but i dont know how i can repair it. Can you help me? 213.151.77.62 (talk) 11:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

It looks like you just have to find more sources that follow the reliability guidelines outlined in WP:CITE Stickymatch 12:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Because a Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it in reliable publications, and very little else. Government documents about the setting up the Council are irrelevant.

You need to find places (probably books or academic papers, but perhaps some articles in major newspapers) that talk about the council in some depth, and base your draft exclusively on those sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:35, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Link for future hosts: Draft:The Czech Fiscal Council

Hello IP! Rejected has a specific meaning in our review process - it means the article will not be accepted for further review. Your draft has only been declined, so you still have hope.

The sources you have cited thus far appear to be government documents along with lists of current and former members. You will need to cite source(s) explaining why the Czech Fiscal Council is notable. These cannot be connected with the Czech Fiscal Council in any way. Maybe you could find a newspaper article on why the organization was founded, or one talking about what exactly the Council has been doing recently - but, again, it cannot be connected to the Council in any way. I've found a source that may be useful to you - it's by a professor at the University of Bialystok. It talks about the council's influence and I believe it will qualify as a reliable and independent source. You can access it here.

I wish you the best of luck and genuinely hope that I see this article in mainspace in the near future. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

IP editor. Google scholar gives loads of hits so finding some meeting our golden rules for sourcing should be fairly simple. That's even before you consider other-language sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I didn't even consider Google Scholar, oof.. good one, Mike! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much, too! 2A07:B242:101E:800:2DD6:9233:B:8AC (talk) 16:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed to know. 2A07:B242:101E:800:2DD6:9233:B:8AC (talk) 16:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Reliable sources?

Hello, would you consider either of these to be reliable sources for BLP SIGCOV and notability?
Parcinq: https://www.parcinq.com/
They're a Philippine magazine and describe themselves as "both an online magazine and a print publication" on their FAQ page. Most of their content seems to be original and exclusive, mainly artsy photoshoots and interviews with Filipino celebrities like singer Angela Ken and various Pinoy pop groups. They have a dedicated site for selling their print issues.
Gen-Z: https://ph.genz-mag.com/
Another Philippine publication. From what I can see, it's a typical online magazine through and through in content and appearance. When you click on "Contact us," it provides this info: https://ph.genz-mag.com/contact-us/
I didn't see at first, but Gen-Z also has exclusive photoshoots and interviews with Filipino celebrities such as Sam Milby and Sofia Pablo. Scrolling to the bottom of this cover story, for instance, lists names for Gen-Z's team: https://ph.genz-mag.com/cover/love-in-real-life-how-sofia-pablo-and-allen-ansay-are-growing-together-on-screen-and-off/
I'd consider both of them reliable because they have dedicated editorial teams and offices. What are your thoughts? Bloomagiliw (talk) 12:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Bloomagiliw, welcome to the teahouse! The first source, in the FAQ, says that their "team is more than excited to review your submissions." The magazine appears to have some form of fact-checking and review for outside articles, though I am not sure 1) what their standard of quality is, and 2) if they do this same review for their own articles. As for the second source, I cannot really find anything, and they appear to be more of a virtual tabloid than anything. I'll let other editors throw in their opinions on this, but I would say the first source should be able to be used but with caution, and the second source is a no-go. Hope this helps! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! It does help. I hope other editors will respond as well. Bloomagiliw (talk) 12:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

You could also try our Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard Lectonar (talk) 12:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@Bloomagiliw It is no guarantee but parcing.com is already used in 20 WP articles whereas we have no cites for ph.genz-mag.com Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Bloomagiliw (talk) 13:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

R/WallStreetBets "Infinite Money Glitch" Control The narrative

I recently tried to include some relevant encyclopedic information regarding the notoriety of u/controlthenarrative. I accept that my initial contribution may have been a little bit rough around the edges, but the relevance of the "guh" sound is simply indisputable in regard to r/wallstreetbets history.

I would appreciate if the green light was given to edit the section titled 'The infinite leverage glitch' to replace "He recorded the live reaction to his loss and uploaded it on his YouTube channel." with "He documented his real-time reaction to the substantial loss by uploading a video to his YouTube channel; during this recording, he made a memorable "guh" sound that quickly gained notoriety as tens of thousands of dollars in leveraged capital vanished." 159.242.98.158 (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

IP editor. Please discuss this on the Talk page at Talk:R/wallstreetbets, assuming the section in question is R/wallstreetbets#The "infinite leverage" glitch. Make sure you provide a full citation to a reliable source for the statement you want to add. Verification is a core Wikipedia policy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Wikipedia is a collaborative project, where we work by consensus. If somebody reverts your edit, the appropriate next step is to discuss it with the editor who reverted: see WP:BRD, rather than appealing to some supposed authority on a help page (there is no such authority).

I don't know anything about the matter in hand, but what I will say is that no Wikipedia article should ever use an evaluative word like "infamous" unless it is directly quoting an independent reliable source. See WP:NPOV. ColinFine (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Should we add the "controversy" or "criticism' in the article Milo ?

Recently, In Đồng Nai, Vietnam. There are having an arguement about Milo commercial is falsely, many newspaper are updating about Milo critical and Milo checking experiment. There are many Vietnamese news updating these information. So do we needed to add this details ? киска (Wanna Slay ?) 13:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Pages should generally not have an entire section solely dedicated to criticism of the article's topic. A sentence or two would be fine, but not an entire section. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:16, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis Thanks for your optional. I just asking to modifying to add this controversy. I think i generally do this after this controversey end successfully. киска (Wanna Slay ?) 13:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

That's a goodood idea, only add it after it's over. It would also prevent other editors from having to go in and update it with new information - added bonus. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:25, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

What counts as reliable?

I recently had an article rejected (Draft:Lord Byng Theater Company) for not having reliable sources, and I was quite surprised (History Student Here), so I was wondering what counts as reliable, since my article contained news, radio and awards show sources. (Also is this the right place to post this?) WhyFencePost (talk) 13:42, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @WhyFencePost, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It looks to me as if it's not so much about reliability as indepedence.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Most of your sources are from the company.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish in reliable publications, and very little else. It is not a place for the subject to tell the world about itself.

More generally, My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. This is even more important when you have a COI (thank you for declaring that), as an involvement makes it harder to see what is and isn't neutral. ColinFine (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes certainly, and from my first review I got the feedback about independence, to which I added more independent sources along with non-independent ones, and the part about independence was not mentioned again, hence my confusion about independence and reliability. I will definitely look at more options for sources and try to find more of an outside perspective. My main question here revolves around sourcing for things such as the cast and crew on that page, information that is only available from the company itself. WhyFencePost (talk) 15:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @WhyFencePost. If you can't find independent information about cast and crew, then the question arises, Why should they be in the article? If you read an encyclopedia article about a theatre company (which is not a profile, or a page in a directory or social media) would you expect to find that information? ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Articolo su Nicolò Balini

Vorrei creare un articolo su Nicolò Balini, uno youtuber e travel blogger italiano con oltre 1 milione di iscritti su YouTube. Posso creare l'articolo o è considerato troppo poco famoso? Dcx28h (talk) 13:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Dcx28h. It may be possible, but if you want to write in Italian, you need to do it at the Italian Wikipedia, not the English Wikipedia. Please ask at it:WP:SI. ColinFine (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@Dcx28h On the English Wikipedia, we don't assess whether people are "famous" but rather whether they are notable based on already-published information. The number of subscribers to their YouTube channel is irrelevant. If Balini is Italian, sources about him may be more likely in that language and you might want to think about creating an article in the Italian-language Wikipedia, although we do allow non-English sources here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@Dcx28h: Essere famosi non significa "degni di nota". Gli YouTuber di solito non lo sono, e il numero di follower è irrilevante. Se riesci a raccogliere diverse fonti affidabili e indipenenti che offrano una copertura significativa di Nicolò Balini, allora puoi iniziare a scrivere un articolo (in inglese, perché questa è la Wikipedia inglese). Solo dopo aver raccolto le fonti dovresti provare a scrivere un articolo, usando Wikipedia:Article Wizard. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Help submitting a translated biography draft for review

Hi, I created this draft (Draft:Ivelina Atanasova - Genchev) based on my published Bulgarian article, but I’m unsure how to submit it for review. Could someone please help me move it to the AfC queue or let me know what I’m missing? Thank you in advance. Atanasova.ivelina (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I've added the AfC banner for you; just click the "submit" button to submit. In the future, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 17:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

How do I create a tag/parameter for a task force?

Hello, I created a task force here: Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Visayan task force

There are many articles of interest to this task force. However, I don't know how to create a tag/parameter for it. I hope someone can guide me on how to do it, because I'd like to improve the task force page as much as I can.

Thank you. Bloomagiliw (talk) 16:43, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Maybe Help:Template is what you're looking for? PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 19:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I mean I'm trying to create the parameter for the task force page itself, so the page can be tagged in articles. Bloomagiliw (talk) 19:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

@Bloomagiliw I think you're looking for Module:WikiProject banner/doc. Sorry that it's not very accessible to do. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 21:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I checked that out and it might just be me being dumb, but I don't see instructions on how to make a custom parameter for a task force.

Basically, I'm hoping that if I write visayan=yes in the talk page of an article, within the Tambayan Philippines shell, it will produce the "This article is supported by the Visayan task force" just like here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bini_(group) ("This article is supported by the Philippine music task force") in the "Tambayan Philippines" shell.

I'm so sorry! Either this site is complex or I'm just being dumb. I hope I can figure this out, though, because the Visayan task force page has already been created. Bloomagiliw (talk) 23:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Bloomagiliw. Adding a parameter to a template requires editing the code of the template. The Template Template:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines (which I think is the relevant one) is protected, so only Template editors may change it.

You need to request the change using {{edit template-protected}} on the talk page Template talk:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines. ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Help in potentially creating a Help:IPA for Okinawan?

Hi, I am interested in creating an IPA guide for the Okinawan language. At first, I thought I simply needed to create a draft article along the lines of Draft:Help:IPA/Okinawan. However, when attempting to create the article, I came across a similar attempt to make a Help:IPA guide for the Kannada language, Draft:Help:IPA/Kannada by @Krzapex. Said draft was rejected, and the reviewer @Timtrent, commented saying that this was not the way to create Help: pages, and that one should ask here for further information.

Thus, I ask: how would I go about properly creating a Help: page, perhaps more specifically a Help:IPA page? Thank you in advance. Ushitarou (talk) 20:33, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

You just create it directly: go to Help:IPA/Okinawan and start writing. If you don't want to do that while it's in progress, you can always start it in your userspace and move it there when you're done. I recommend contacting the relevant wikiprojects/talk pages for specific assistance and advice. -- asilvering (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Unclear question about El Salvador

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi you can say me how looks El salvador end the years 90s pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas??????????? 2600:382:2B21:DE64:6B5F:3BD6:2B19:F461 (talk) 21:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Your question is not very clear. Is it answered in the article El Salvador? If not, you would be better asking at the Reference Desk, as this page is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia. But if you do ask the question again, I suggest you be much more specific about what you want to know. ColinFine (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Should a poorly worded claim with no reference be reworded and marked with "citation needed"?

Last night I was looking up Magic Shell and came across this sentence in the history section: "In Australia, first invented it and sold by Daniel Keevers who sold the idea to Cottee's and called Ice Magic." At first I was just going to reword it so that it was actual English, but I realized it was a pretty substantial claim that was uncorroborated and I couldn't find anything online from a quick search. I felt like it didn't make sense to reword a sentence with a claim I didn't make that I couldn't support, so I just ended up deleting it, but I don't know if that's the right move. What would be the right action to take here?

It didn't help when I read the rest of the paragraph and realized it had nothing to do with the history of the product either, it was just a list of flavors and storage instructions: "It is sold in chocolate, mint chocolate, honeycomb chocolate, and strawberry flavors. It is not to be stored in a refrigerator, as it may harden and will not pour." At that point I just deleted the whole paragraph, but again, it's probably not the right move. Should I have moved this information to the lead section? Riggsmarion (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Riggsmarion, and welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't looked at the article, but from your description it sounds a reasonable thing to do. It's always worth looking for sources if they aren't given, but you're under no obligation to do so. And given that it doesn't make much sense, deleting it seems fair enough. If somebody disagrees with you, they can engage with you: see WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

making a page for a music band

trying to start a wiki page for a music band Missioned Souls (talk) 22:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Please see your first article and make sure your topic meets our notability guidelines for bands. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 22:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Plus, it's technically autobiography, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. Read it here. Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 03:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

• strongly discouraged, but yes. Anyway note original poster has been blocked per the username policy. GoldRomean (talk) 03:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

  Ah, ok. Thanks for the information! :) Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 03:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Why is everything protected?

It makes sense for Donald Trump to be protected, but why is almost every significant page I try to edit protected? How should I make good edits? Xwoqjodisfumosd (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

These pages have undergone a history of vandalism, and as such limitations on who can edit them have been imposed. You can try checking out the task center for some ideas on what to do - those should classify as "good edits" in your words. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 00:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

@Xwoqjodisfumosd Your edit at Daylight saving time might be better if linked with a source. The deletion of an alternative name might be discussed on the article's talk page where there has already been discussion of alternative names. Also, an edit summary (even something as simple as 'spelling') is always better than nothing. Another editor dropped some links on your talk page for ways to find articles that need help. The 'Suggested Edit' feature is easy to work with, and only requires a few minutes. Happy editing! Just Al (talk) 00:59, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Xwoqjodisfumosd, only a tiny percentage of Wikipedia articles are protected. And you can leave edit requests on the talk page of almost all protected articles. Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Where to make test edits?

Title Xwoqjodisfumosd (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello! You can use the sandbox, or your own personal sandbox, User:Xwoqjodisfumosd/sandbox. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 22:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Removal of Vandal IP users Suggestion

I have been noticing at one point most page vandalisms happen because of IP users so I vote to ban the ones that did it Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:25, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, this has actually been suggested before! See this for more info. In short, while (according to that page) 97% of vandalism is created by IPs, 80% of IP edits are actually constructive! GoldRomean (talk) 02:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

good point but others have been nothing but trouble it’s like releasing a tiger tank into a town in world war 2 it’s always trouble if a vandal shows up I just hate vandals and you may hate me for saying this if Wikipedia could just add bots that can detect vandalism and remove editing from the person that did it and that would be effective Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

We do have vandal-detecting bots like User:ClueBot NG! (Do note that warning IPs for months-old edits is not that worthwhile, and remember to assume good faith.) GoldRomean (talk) 02:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Also I didn’t mention most vandalisms I saw were on FNAF World 2 by the same IP that has to be a problem Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

If a user continues to vandalize despite being given enough warnings, they can be reported to WP:AIV. But the edits in this case are extremely stale. GoldRomean (talk) 02:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

That is a very good point but I am probably the only one who is very pissed off about vandalism and in real life it’s almost a crime and everyone knows that Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

It’s okay to dislike vandals, in fact I bet most editors do. However, not all IPs or editors who you think are vandals are actually vandals - some are trying to contribute, but may come across as vandals. That’s why it’s important to assume good faith. GoldRomean (talk) 02:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Lordofcallofduty, three points I want to emphasise:

(1) Many, perhaps most, IP addresses are now dynamic, so a user with a particular IP today may have a different one in an hour, or tomorrow, or next week. Sometimes the ISP assigns a user new IPs within a restricted range, and sometimes Wikipedia blocks that whole range, but this not infrequently hits innocent users who just happen to have IPs in the same range. Sometimes a range ban is not possible or practicable. About the only way to completely block an IP-only vandal would be to block all non-Account editing.

(2) Opening a new Wikipedia account is sufficiently easy that more seriously dedicated vandals (see LTA) continually, even pre-emptively, open multiple accounts – these vandals are often responsible for the worst vandalisms, and are harder to combat.

(3) As has been mentioned above, 80% of edits by IPs are good ones, not vandalism: if all IPs were banned, we would lose most of those good edits and editors. I myself have been editing Wikipedia regularly and frequently for over 20 years, have for my own reasons never created an account, and my once-fixed home IP was changed by my ISP to dynamic some years ago.

There is a proverb "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" which I invite you to reflect on. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.192.228.242 (talk) 08:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Arshak Sargsyan

Arshak Sargsyan is the founder and director of Anuloid Games RustaviOri (talk) 02:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse! Thanks for the information! But this is the place not to put information. Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 03:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

And we do not yet have an article on Anuloid Games (which is why that link is red), so there is nowhere to use that information – yet.

Perhaps in time you can create and submit an article about Anuloid Games, but judging from your previous attempt at Draft:ElTR you need to learn more about Wikipedia's requirements first. You might like to start by studying these Project pages:

Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia,

Wikipedia:Everything you need to know.

Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.192.228.242 (talk) 08:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Warnings

How do bots like User:ClueBot NG detect warnings and give #2 warnings accordingly?

--pro-anti-air (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

For ClueBot NG, Pro-anti-air, please see User:ClueBot_NG#Vandalism_Detection_Algorithm. -- Hoary (talk) 04:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Joe Sealey rejected page

 Courtesy link: User:Hello123212/sandbox

Can someone help explain why my article for Joe Sealey has been rejected he is a well known person in the Uk and comes from an established family, can someone help me back changes so it can be published Hello123212 (talk) 04:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, the reason your article was declined is listed in the decline notice. It has no sources right now. Wikipedia articles need reliable source to demonstrate notability. GoldRomean (talk) 04:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I quote your own user talk page, Hello123212:

• This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
• The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

-- although the version on your talk page helpfully has links.

I note that you say that he:

• "is a well known person in the Uk"
• "comes from an established family"

If he's well known, then I'd presume that reliable sources will have written about him in some depth. And if so, your job will be easier.

I don't know what's meant by "established family", but anyway his family doesn't matter. -- Hoary (talk) 04:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Articles

Hello, please can someone review my three articles I've created, thank you.

Melinda Markey

Ena Hartman

Ewa Krasnodebska Adelberta (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Adelberta They will be reviewed by a New Page Patroller in due course. Asking for a review is not likely to speed the process. Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 10:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Reliable Sources list

Hi! I saw the reliable sources list and noticed a problem: several international newspapers, including some U.K ones (The Telegraphh) and mostly all Latino ones, are not gauged for reliability. It would be good if they were listed so we could tell whether we could use them pt not. God bless! Jeanette the headcase Martin (que me dices?) 11:00, 3 June, 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it is impossible for such a list ever to be exhaustive; but please ask on its talk page if you would like a specific publication to be included. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:14, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

User:JeanetteMartin. Note that there is advice on how you could find if a particular source has been discussed before at WP:RSPMISSING. That also describes how to start a new discussion about a specific source. I'm not sure which newspaper you had in mind because you linked to a disambiguation page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Sources and improving

I need an article to be improved for AfC, but I can't find good sources for it. Draft:Greenstreet, Missouri and Draft:Fourmile Corner Sunhighway27 (talk) 11:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, if you cannot find reliable and independent sources for coverage of your topic, then there is very little chance that it is notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. AlphaBetaGamma left some good future advice on your now-rejected draft for Fourmile Corner: "Next time, consider checking if subjects you're writing on has enough notability before starting drafts." You shouldn't be working backwards, where you need to find sources for something - find a source and use it as a starting point for an article instead. Don't let this discourage you, though - I had quite a few failed drafts before getting an article published. You'll get there eventually! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 11:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student).

It is likely that both of your subjects will meet our notability criteria, once sources are found. Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Don't give up! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Formatting

Is there any type of requirement for the formatting of wikipedia pages I.e. MLA, APA, and College formattiing 143.59.6.114 (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Are you referencing the format of sources? There's an extensive page covering that topic here. If you're referencing the layout of a page, you can find that at this subpage of the manual of style. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't enforce a specific citation style, but we have plenty of citation templates that make it easy to format references in a consistent manner (and which are informed by established styles like the ones you list). ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 12:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Sydney Bogues - Draft Article

Okay, I have redone the references on my draft article Draft:Sydney Uriah Bogues However declined once again. I have added the actual document to substantiate the validity of each source. Does anyone have pointers on where I may have missed out? Thank you! Artnascar7 (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

The feedback left for you time and time again has been that you need reliable sources. Your article appears to be largely primary sources, and point 5 of the policy explicitly states: "Do not base an entire article on primary source" (emphasis in original). Unless you can find sources that talk about Bouges and why he is notable after his life, then I do not believe the article will pass AfC. You also have multiple smaller sections of the article that are not sourced, sometimes there's a source earlier on in the paragraph but not for what is said at the end.

There's also some odd things said in wikivoice, such as the end of the early childhood section: "It is for reasons like these; it would seem, why young S.U. Bogues decided to pursue a career in the field of preparing medicine." This feels like something that would belong in a book, not a Wikipedia article. Also, some of your headers are in title case (Early Childhood, The 1907 Earthquake and New Market) while others are in sentence case (Family background, Education and career): all titles should be in sentence case.

I would heavily advise not resubmitting the article for review until you feel you have completely addressed these concerns. Do not hesitate to ask for further assistance here in the teahouse. I feel this article has potential (he's certainly an interesting character) and would hate if it was rejected for the same reasons it has been declined for. Best of luck with the article! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Great, thank you! Artnascar7 (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I also have a little concern, these articles usually take several months to be reviewed. this was reviewed after only a few weeks.

The reason I mention this because the wikieditor who reviewed it also changed their entire page with a lot of middle eastern/arabic topics on the same day my article was reviewed.

The subject in my draft has a largely Jewish background.

I hate to be divisive in the platform, but could I have somehow have it addressed as a concern? Artnascar7 (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Works

• Evacuations during the Gaza war
• Adly Mansour Transportation Hub
• Heliopolis station
• Safaa Hegazy station
• Sakakini Palace
• Nile Fountain
• Sudan station
• Rod El Farag Corridor station
• Ring Road station
• El-Qawmia station
• El-Bohy station
• Tawfikia station
• Wadi El Nile station
• Gamat El Dowal station
• Boulak El Dakrour station
• Imbaba station
• This page was last edited on 2 June 2025, at 07:46.

Artnascar7 (talk) 13:57, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

That list of topics on ToadetteEdit's page has existed since before the article was declined (only Imbaba station was added the same day your draft was declined) - I do not believe those had anything to do with the draft's decline, though I do understand your concerns about bias. If you have concerns then I would bring those up on the editor's talk page. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

This person I believe wrote all these articles. But their page history says they were all placed on the page at the day of my review. Artnascar7 (talk) 14:04, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Please see the diff that I linked. I'll link it again here. Only the last entry on the list was added the day of the decline. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, you're right. apologies. Artnascar7 (talk) 14:12, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

As an immigrant during the 1920's, I think the topic has a lot of merit. Could they put it as a stub? Artnascar7 (talk) 14:17, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I think it's currently a start-class article, probably could get up to C-class with a few secondary sources. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:27, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Discussion about Studena (water)

Studena (water)

I've been created the page about non-carbonated mineral water "Studena" from Lipik in Croatia. I know that both the Studena and Lipički Studenac are well known brands in Croatia, but would be good for me to create its own article. Allo002 (talk) 13:28, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I believe you are asking if you are allowed to create such a page? You have (and good job making it in your userspace), but currently it only has two sources that 1) are not formatted properly, and 2) do not appear to be secondary and independent. You also appear to largely just list the products of the company - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a list of a company's products. You need to demonstrate how the company is wikinotable before the article can be published. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Help understanding draft rejection: Novarabet

Hi, I'm a new editor and submitted an article about "Novarabet", an Indonesian musician and verified artist on platforms like Spotify and Apple Music. It was declined because of notability concerns.

I included several sources from Yamaha Asia, Yamaha Indonesia, Kumparan, Bale Bengong, and MusicBrainz.

Can someone help me understand if these sources are strong enough, or what else I should include? Here is the draft: Draft:Novarabet

I would really appreciate any guidance. Thank you! Novarabetmusic (talk) 13:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

The draft has not been rejected, it has only been declined - the two words have different meanings in the AfC process. Rejection means it will not be accepted further; declined only means that it is not ready for mainspace in its current form. Your draft falls into the latter category. I will note that writing about yourself is extremely discouraged. See this page and this page for information on the topic.

With all respect, winning a high school band competition is not an award or honor (not to mention it is unsourced). Your singles are also unsourced, and please know that discogs and Spotify are not reliable sources. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Novarabetmusic, and welcome to the Teahouse.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. Unless you have several sources which meet all the criteria in WP:42, it is unlikely that an article is possible.

More generally, My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia.. (I know your account has been around for a few years, but with only 27 edits in your history, you are still a "new editor". ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. I appreciate your time and understand your concerns. I'm currently working on improving the draft article about myself (Novarabet) and am aware of the importance of significant, reliable, and independent sources. I'm actively gathering stronger third-party references that provide in-depth coverage and are not affiliated with me.

I understand that Wikipedia is not meant for promotion and that neutrality and verifiability are core principles. I'm also planning to contribute to existing articles—especially in areas related to music and Indonesian artists—to better understand the community's standards and editing practices.

Thank you again for your guidance; I’ll take your advice seriously as I continue learning and contributing. Novarabetmusic (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Help understanding notability and how my article is falling short

Article link: Draft:Richard L'Abbé

I've reviewed the guidelines, and both the article and subject appear to meet the standard. That is, the subject is the focus of several articles in reliable and independent publications such as People Magazine and the Ottawa Citizen, and he's the recipient of major awards both in Canada and the US. The most recent submission was declined due to "references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions)."

Thanks for any help understanding how the subject/article are falling short of the bar needed to be worthy. Eriklabbe (talk) 14:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Eriklabbe Hello and welcome. I fixed your link, the whole url is not needed.

Are you related to Richard? 331dot (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, he's my father. I've disclosed the conflict of interest as suggested by guidelines and I've ensured the content remains impartial, drawing solely from independent sources rather than any primary knowledge. Eriklabbe (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I see the disclosure on the draft- could you also place a disclosure on your user page(User:Eriklabbe)? 331dot (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I added the disclosure to my user page: User:Eriklabbe. Eriklabbe (talk) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks 331dot (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

This is an interesting article, I will admit - and I think the image adds to it. However, you need secondary sources about your father's work. These sources should be secondary in origin, independent of him, and come from reliable publications. As of now, you have not achieved that. Your sources appear to be either primary or only provide a passing mention of the subject. Two of your in-text citations are oddly in the middle of the sources segment. Also, Wikipedia should not be cited as a source (see reference #2).

No doubt an interesting article, and I have hope it will eventually find its way to mainspace. Good job with the CoI by the way. Best of luck! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 15:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

@Eriklabbe If you haven't, try digging here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)