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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 22, 2024.

Lectka enantioselective beta-lactam synthesis

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The top redirect was previously an article that was redirected per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lectka_enantioselective_beta-lactam_synthesis, apparently to preserve the option for a partial merge. But no merge has occurred, nor has any interest in doing so been expressed, nor do I think there is any content worth merging. There is no evidence this is a named reaction that is common enough to merit mention in the article. Delete all. Mdewman6 (talk) 07:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Coramandal FC

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should be deleted until there is a list of associated football clubs in the target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Racial violence

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Only four articles currently make use of this redirect. In all four cases, "hate crime" would be a more appropriate target than "ethnic conflict". So I suggest retargeting the redirect to "hate crime". Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 15:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled together with Racial violence and relisting for further input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • tendency to Oppose. I looked at four of the roughly 30 articles that have the redirect racial violence. The legal formulation of hate crime seems to be fairly modern, from the 1980s - although per our article it's used retrospectively to interpret older events, and the article seems mostly to cover the legal aspects of the topic. Ethnic conflict seems to be a broader article including those hate crimes patterns that evolve into major (often intra-state) armed conflicts. The intended usage of racial violence seems to be somewhere in between and overlapping hate crime and ethnic conflict, in terms of the current state of the articles. I think that the different focus of the two articles is in some sense in singular - hate crime - versus ethnic conflict = plural hate crimes (pattern of many events on scales going up to 100s or millions of victims). Scale is a natural way to divide topics - when a set of hate crimes constitutes a crime against humanity or a genocide is not purely a case of scale, but scale clearly contributes. My feeling is that the relevance of racial violence as a link is to the broader pattern of multiple hate crimes, not so much individual ones. Caveat: I arbitrarily selected only four out of about 30 links - so this may misrepresent the more common usage. There is a see also link from ethnic conflict to hate crime, so a reader looking thoroughly may find that anyway. Boud (talk) 03:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think adding "Racial violence" to this discussion has confused the issue a little. My initial proposal was for "Racially motivated violence" to be retargeted to "Hate crime" because the usage seems more consistent with that definition. The case for "Racial violence" is much less clear. Certainly, scale plays a part. I recently created the redirect "Racially motivated attack". A racially motivated attack is a hate crime and an example of racially motivated violence, but doesn't necessarily imply ethnic conflict in the sense described by our article on that subject. An example is the murder of Stephen Lawrence: in that article, the phrase "racially motivated attack" is piped to "Hate crime". Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Retarget racially motivated violence as suggested, do not change Racial violence for reasons stated above. Kind of vibes based but I would be the least surprised this way. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capitol protest

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Impossibly vague redirect. Could easily also refer to the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, or the hundreds of other protests that happen around the world at various capitols. Delete.-1ctinus📝🗨 23:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could this be dabified? Do we have other articles on things called Capitol protests? PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"capitol" is a generic word in this format, it is "capitol protest(s)" and not "protest(s) at the Capitol", so that would include such as the occupation of the building in Abkhazia right now; the Gunpowder Plot; Stop Line 3 protests; April 30 storming of the Michigan State Capitol; 2021 United States capitol protests; George Floyd protests in Utah; 2024 storming of the Kenyan Parliament; 2023–2024 Georgian protests; etc, etc. I don't think it would make a good disambig page. You could make a list article instead. List of protests near, at, surrounding, around, and, in, capitol, legislature, and, parliamentary, buildings -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I is a useful search term. Should be DAB or List target.Blethering Scot 23:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I would prefer to dabify it. Seems a reasonable search term. Unsure if it passes NLIST but that could also be ok. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My problem is that there are wayyyy too many things that can be described as a "Capitol protest" that it becomes borderline WP:INDISCRIMINATE. 190+ countries, 50+ US states plus Brazil, Canada, and Germany as federal governments, plus centuries of history including countries that no longer exist. It would be hard to maintain, and I doubt it would pass WP:NLIST. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per 1ctinus. As a dab, we would either be using a dab as a runaround for a list that would fail WP:NLIST and involve WP:OR, or we would be trying to determine which protests held at capitols have been referred to as "Capitol protest", which would be painstakingly difficult and feel oddly like an incomplete version of the first option. Daask (talk) 09:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rising And Setting Of The Sun

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 29#Rising And Setting Of The Sun

4 (album) by matisse

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Sock posted this for RFD but was speedily kept since well.. sockpuppets are not allowed. But the point still stands. This is an improper disambiguation. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2026 Houston Texans season

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WP:TOOSOON, no relevant information at the target, making it a misleading redirect. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per nom. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that similar nominations, for other team seasons of the same year, were made at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_24#2026_Buffalo_Bills_season. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Macchar

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no particular affinity for urdu cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This one matches a lot of pretty legitimate uses in Indian websites for mosquito control, as does the spelling variant "machhar". Hard to tell which is the preferred spelling. Dyanega (talk) 22:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if wiktionary is to be trusted here, it'd be "macchar". then again, it's tucked away in the translations, so... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. WP:RFOREIGN is the relevant essay. A casual search revealed the use of this term (or its spelling variant "machhar") for mosquito in English-language content.[1][2][3][4][5] Thus I think this is an example of "Apparently foreign words which are used as the English variant word in some forms of English". Daask (talk) 09:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mozze

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no particular affinity with this language... whatever language it actually is. google gave me nothing, wiktionary gave me nothing related to mosquitos cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's got no usage, and appears to be a misspelling of the nickname "mozzie". I'd support a speedy delete. Dyanega (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, mozzie is the Aussie word. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While this is possibly a plausible phonetic misspelling of "mozzie", which is Australian slang for mosquito, this seems ambiguous with Canne mozze and even Mezzo. – Michael Aurel (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brandblusser

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no particular affinity for dutch cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extuingisher

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not on the plausible side of misspellings. it's 6 letters effectively scrambled cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agent Galahad

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Not mentioned in the redirect target. It used to have an article, but it was deleted, then redirected, then deleted again, then redirected again, then deleted again, then redirected to another article. Either it stays deleted or redirected, or have to recreate the article. Toby2023 (talk) 19:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University of Michigan School Of Law

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Daask (talk) 10:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Currently unused, and redundant with the similarly spelled University of Michigan School of Law redirect. The "Of" spelling is only used for this redirect of the many "University of Michigan School of" redirects, which causes more clutter when a user searches for 'University of Michigan School' with no additional value-add. Engineerchange (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Headwaters Country Jam

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Not mentioned in target article or rest of Wikipedia. Delete. Retarget per below -1ctinus📝🗨 23:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Needs more consensus
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WP:NOTWIKIA and WP:NOTFANDOM

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Suggested decision: Retarget to Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not Fandom. WP:WPINFD and WP:WPINWA already target that page, which explains the differences between Wikipedia and Fandom, but this redirect is still targeting the policy on that Wikipedia is not a social network, just like treating anyone who slaps unnotable fancruft with indiscriminate collections of information just like on Fandom[hyperbole] as someone who is using Wikipedia as a social network. 67.209.128.85 (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: Unfortunately, I cannot notify the ones who created such redirects because both of them are either retired and/or inactive. 67.209.128.85 (talk) 16:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would you retarget it to an essay instead of a policy? The Banner talk 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia now has an essay explaining that it is not Fandom. The current target of these redirects is outdated, so i was obligated to ask for consensus before doing any deliberate redirect target changes. 67.209.128.85 (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep You are proposing to downgrade the level of importance as an essay is just a long comment while a policy can be enforced. The Banner talk 12:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both. Both have incoming links, and have existed for years. Also, "policy" > "essay" any day of the week. Hatnote the current target if necessary. Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that the current target should have a hatnote if we were to keep this redirect.
    I propose it should look something like this:
    {{Redirect2|WP:NOTFANDOM|WP:NOTWIKIA|the essay explaining that Wikipedia is not Fandom|Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not Fandom}}
    Which would appear as:
    "WP:NOTFANDOM" and "WP:NOTWIKIA" redirect here. For the essay explaining that Wikipedia is not Fandom, see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not Fandom.
    67.209.128.85 (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep widely used already, and this concerns POLICY, which is of much higher import than any other rules. An ESSAY is not even a rule, and thus will be widely misleading as it makes any arguments using the shortcut expecting policy result in an argument that means nothing, as essays are ultimately not WIDE CONSENSUS created polices. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Policy should be a higher priority than essays --Lenticel (talk) 00:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget. When Wikipedia users appeal to an argument by linking to it, it's crucial that the link to that argument be preserved, even if it is later rejected by consensus, because that link is part of the user's statement and is essential for understanding what they are saying. Unfortunately, it's not clear to me that saying WP:NOTWIKIA or WP:NOTFANDOM is saying anything in particular, other than the implicit "That content would be acceptable on Fandom, but is not acceptable on Wikipedia." I say this based on review of both the target and a sample of inbound links. There is no relevant content at the target, except for "If you are interested in using the wiki technology for a collaborative effort on something else, ... many free and commercial sites provide wiki/web hosting". Most editors here seems concerned about downgrading from a policy page to an essay, but this statement doesn't make any authoritative pronouncement about what is or isn't allowed or should or shouldn't be done. I think we should target the best expression of the referenced argument. I'm not overly impressed by Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not Fandom. It's a simple comparison page, and doesn't make a specific argument, but I think if we are to try to understand the views of those who link to WP:FANDOM, it's better than WP:NOT. Daask (talk) 12:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Baker (lobbyist)

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This redirect was created in 2013 as a "placeholder" ([6]), but the creator never actually built out an article and a web search indicates it is dubious that the subject meets WP:GNG.

The redirect target article does not mention Jim Baker anywhere in the article text. Anyone searching for the subject will be redirected to "National Rifle Association" which will provide them with... no information whatsoever. Whilst dangling redirects rarely do any harm, the target article should generally mention the subject of the redirect in some way. Hemmers (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

myelate

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

results lightly imply that this is an obscure synonym for honeydew honey, a verb probably related to honey, or some guy on deviantart. not present in the target or wiktionary cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

some regional honeys

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 29#some regional honeys

Benzema 15

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Surely Benzema 15 is an intrusive and obscure name for an article relating to the football/soccer player Karim Benzema, which relates to sensitive content which shouldn't be openly glorified with the naming of this redirect, as it cannot be compared to other redirects such as CR7 for Cristiano Ronaldo. Cltjames (talk) 12:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barotrauma and Wind turbines

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"barotrauma" refers to damage caused by air pressure differences. while pretty unique to bats since their lungs are held together with thoughts and prayers, it's not exclusive to them. granted, getting sent to the shadow realm due to barotrauma from the low-pressure areas just behind the blades of wind turbines is a little more closely associated with bats, but it's not what the redirect's wording necessarily implies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - the intersection of the two topics is unique to bats - other animals that it's thought are impacted by wind farms are harmed by impact damage flying into them, not pressure damage from being near them. This is covered in detail at the target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nustrale

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

results gave me seemingly assorted pig species. the creation, by a user blocked for constant low-quality additions, refers to a yahoo article, referring to a species of bat known as "myptis nustrale", but you wouldn't find that out from the redirect. hell, as that article states, "nustrale" apparently means "ours" in an obscure french dialect, so in theory, it has nothing to do with bats. the bat shown there is cute though cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Final kefka

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

unused fan name. people just call him kefka. or cefca if they're based cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Redirect assimilation

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No obvious connection with "assimilation"; no nontrivial incoming links. --Trovatore (talk) 03:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I actually saw this request at WP:AfC/R and saw that it was either pointless or the requester was confused. Oh well, it was accepted already. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Confusing Pokémon Redirects

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All three redirects can potentially be confused, and thus serve as unhelpful search terms. "Pokémon attack" can refer to both the attacking moves of the Pokémon and the in-game stat (While both are covered at the same article, a redirect this broad does not help with finding one or the other), while "Evolution of Pokémon" could be misinterpreted as being the real-world evolution of the franchise when it is instead covering the in-game terminology. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't pokemon attack also refer to getting attacked by a pokemon in-universe. Anyways, delete all per nom. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 07:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the 'attack' redirects. Both things it refers to would have the same target. I'm neutral on the 'evolution' redirect, as you'd only think about the "real-world" evolution if you (over)think about it too much. Web-julio (talk) 01:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete. "attack" could refer to moves, stat, or any other form of attack related to the franchise or the species. evolution could refer to the franchise or the species. so on and so forth. was admittedly a little iffy on nominating those before, but they're here now, so... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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National Italian American Foundation

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(NPP action) An article at this title was deleted at AfD in 2020. Per WP:SOFTSP, interwiki redirects should not be made to other-language Wikipedias. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This is the English language wikipedia, not the Italian. The Banner talk 17:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I can't actually find the claim that interwiki redirects should not be made to other-language Wikipedias at WP:SOFTSP. Why shouldn't they? Wouldn't a soft redirect be a good solution here? --Trovatore (talk) 02:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trovatore: I think it's implied by The plain {{soft redirect}} template should not be used in the mainspace. Instead, use one of the specialized templates (see below), and the fact that there is no {{Wikipedia redirect}} template. As for "why not": readers of the English Wikipedia are looking for English-language content. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first is a little speculative — maybe the specialization is listed somewhere else, or maybe just no one's made it yet. That doesn't necessarily imply an active opposition to interlang redirects.
As to the second, probably you didn't mean it this way, but that can be taken as almost insulting, the stereotype of the monolingual American/Brit/Aussie. The purpose of soft redirects is to help users find relevant content in sister projects, and I don't see why we wouldn't want to help them find it in other languages (whether those are technically "sister projects" is beside the point). --Trovatore (talk) 06:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, but said relevant content is locked behind a different wiki with (possibly) different quality standards and a different language. it's statistically not very likely that everyone who looks for something like this would coincidentally know english and italian. contrast to soft redirects to wiktionary as an example, which lead to the english wiktionary
also, that second point didn't really make much sense. what's so insulting or stereotypical about wp-en readers wanting content in english? isn't that the entire reason they're not on wp-it? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wiktionary also has different inclusions standards from English Wikipedia — very different, seeing that it has a different purpose. Italian Wikipedia is at least closer than that. They're entitled to their own standards, but they're in the same general milieu; it's not like a random web link.
Of course not everyone who looks this up is likely to know Italian, but given the topic, it seems likely that a fair number will, or will at least be able to puzzle it out.
What's insulting is not assuming that they're looking for content in English, but that they're looking for content only in English. The fact that someone is looking in English Wikipedia provides no warrant to assume they're not interested in content in other languages as well. --Trovatore (talk) 19:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
unfortunately, betting on the chance of someone knowing that other language in the first place is, in the nicest way i can put it, lazy. for cases like this, there are some solutions i've seen
  • returning to red
  • including a red link, but also a link to an article in an appropriate language (mineirinho ultra adventures [pt]). haven't seen this outside of the touhou project infobox though, which means i haven't seen it in mainspace, so i'm not sure this would be a good idea
  • creating an article lmao
i am still inclined towards the first, since someone could create an article later on cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't "betting" on the user knowing Italian. Look, not everything in Wikipedia has to be useful to every user. For example, many technical articles are entirely useless to any reader who doesn't have a very strong technical background, and that's just fine, because Wikipedia is WP:MANYTHINGS. The fact that there's a well-written (though admittedly poorly sourced) Italian article on this topic should not be ignored; we should find some way to surface that to the reader who searches for this term. --Trovatore (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
method 2 is sounding really good right about now... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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