User talk:jlwoodwa

Brand_(grand_cru)

listed for speedy deletion because it "redirects" to a draft of the page. I tried to do a standard move from article-> draftspace so I'm not sure what happened there. It has happened before with a draft page reachable from Google so please let me know what has gone wrong there... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markbenjamin (talk • contribs) 09:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Can you stop with the script based "link unpiping"?

Some of these are okay, but many are not appropriate. It's often quite deliberate to link to a specific page title that is different from the link text, even when the link text, taken as a title, happens to incidentally redirect to the same place. Page titles and targets of redirects change regularly, and wiki authors should intentionally point their links at the title which is most clearly relevant to the intention of the link, which is not always the same as visible link text. Scripts should not be automatically second-guessing those choices without human attention.

If you want to make this kind of change it should be done deliberately with careful human checking and thought about each one. Just automatically converting these does more harm than good. –jacobolus (t) 10:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jacobolus: I know it's been two months, but I want to thank you for this well-explained warning. After disabling the script and stepping away for some time, I've come to agree that I was using it much too broadly, quickly, and carelessly. I think in the future I'll only use this script on an article after I've edited it enough to have a sense for the context of the piped links, so I can better tell whether the script's proposed edit is an improvement. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! –jacobolus (t) 20:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted

Hi Jlwoodwa, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the new page reviewer user right to your account. This means you now have access to the page curation tools and can start patrolling pages from the new pages feed. If you asked for this at requests for permissions, please check back there to see if your access is time-limited or if there are other comments.

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Draft categories

Hello, and thanks for your work on commenting draft categories in AfC.

Could I ask that in future you use the full template name "Draft categories", rather than the shortcut "Draftcat"? There seems to be a bug somewhere that makes the drafts still show up in Category:AfC submissions with categories, even after you've helpfully wrapped them with "Draftcat". Thanks again for all your work on this. Wikishovel (talk) 21:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Huh. I double-checked on Draft:Butylamphetamine, and it's true. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'll stick to {{draft categories}} until that bug is fixed. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

1924 Howard Bison football team moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to 1924 Howard Bison football team. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. IntentionallyDense (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Orphan article Seatylock

Greetings, Today I de-orphaned this article by adding a link at Seatylock article, Accessories section.

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Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I'm not an article. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Säm

I took the liberty of editing the box you left at Draft:Säm. The language the draft is written in is Estonian, not Finnish. JIP | Talk 20:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. My phone said it was Finnish (and that it couldn't translate Finnish), and I assumed that it was correct. In the future I'll stick to Google Translate, which seems to be more reliable for identifying what language something is written in. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Something to consider

Since your reply to me regarding a file I nominated for deletion, I did a casual perusal of your contributions, your talk page, and your user page—I'm mighty impressed! For a new-ish user (<20 months!), you've made a heckuva impression. In the near future, I hope you actively consider the RfA process. Thanks for everything you've done thus far! Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Mil Mi-8 DuplicateReferences (Sept 8th)

Hey, Jlwoodwa! I've endeavoured to address the duplicate references issue in Mil Mi-8. If you agree it's fixed, you may do the honours of removing the maintenance template. Jeminids1 (talk) 14:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I agree that it's fixed, and I've removed the template. jlwoodwa (talk) 14:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Re:Redirecting rather than PRODing

Sorry for the mistake. Yeah, I agree: maybe someday an encyclopedic article on Ritsuko can be written, but for now it's better a redirecting. Thanks for the contribution. I'm very grateful. TeenAngels1234 (talk) 16:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

conflict

You just messed up my edit that was going to fix everything. the conflict resulted in my edits being completely lost Create a template (talk) 23:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry that happened to you; I agree that edit conflicts are frustrating. Do you want advice on how to prevent edit conflicts, or how to deal with them without losing all your work? jlwoodwa (talk) 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I overreacted and should've known how to prevent conflicts. I got angry from losing everything and took it out on you.

as for the year of the award, isfdb, sfadb, and wiki use a different year standard for Nebulas than the nebula website does. Create a template (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Orphan article 2024 South Sudan floods

Greetings, Today I de-orphaned this article by adding links at two articles.

• South Sudan, Climate section, with "See also" hatnote.
• 2024 Sudan floods, add "Distinguish" at lead because Sudan is diff. country than S.Sudan

Normally most de-orphaning is pretty straight-forward, but this Orphan article was a bit more complex.

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Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 11:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Poppy Playtime Chapter 2 & 3 PlayStation Ports

Here's a source for the PlayStation 4 and 5 ports: "Poppy Playtime Chapters 2 and 3 coming to Xbox and Playstation this Friday". Can you please add it to the Poppy Playtime page now? 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:2438:E60E:32AB:A69A (talk) 16:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Never mind. It's been put up now. 2603:6010:8B00:44FF:D66:A52D:9963:2BFC (talk) 20:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Tag at GPT Store

Hello Jlwoodwa, I am the author of the GPT Store article. I did not use AI to write it. I wrote it first in eswiki and then used help from the automatic translator to translate it to English. Marcocanol (talk) 19:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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Good work.

I welcomed you to the project a year and a half ago (under a different username) and now you're successfully a new page reviewer and page mover, with no big controversies that I can see. So may I say... well done! Cremastra (talk) 20:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Bruce Hall (musician)

@Jlwoodwa: Why did you move this article out of draft, when its never been referenced correctly since it created. Did you do a WP:BEFORE on it? scope_creep^Talk 18:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

As I said to Haymrsapceman:

Per WP:DRAFTNO, articles that were created more than 90 days ago should not be boldly moved to draftspace. If you think that the article should not exist, you can nominate it for deletion.

This was established in a 2022 RfC. I think it's analogous to page blanking, which shouldn't always be reverted, but in most cases should. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia article creation request: Japanese Let's Go and Phoenix SC (YouTuber)

Japanese Let's Go

But because Thai educational show about Japanese which was starring by Eric Filatov and Neeracha "Mai" Filatova and also make SVG logo.

Phoenix SC to First German Sport Club Phoenix

But because Phoenix SC was a YouTuber info.

2001:44C8:4446:6194:B18C:8D55:27F3:3921 (talk) 12:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you want help using Articles for Creation? jlwoodwa (talk) 14:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Help / edits

Hi @Jlwoodwa :) , we need help to translate Moslem Kazemi ->مسلم کاظمی 's article to make it more complete, thank you Moslem Kazemi1 (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Moslem Kazemi1. I'm sorry, but I don't know any Persian, so I'm unable to help you translate that. There's a list of translators at Wikipedia:Translators available § Persian-to-English; maybe one of them can help you.

Also, your username makes me think you might be the subject of that article. If this is true, you should read the guideline on autobiographies before you translate an article about yourself into the English Wikipedia. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:48, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa Yes sir, I understand. I just said this article to translate it and make it more complete. Please (check) the same. The article needed something, tell me, don't worry about anything :) Moslem Kazemi1 (talk) 21:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Edits to List of non-standard dates

Hi - what was incorrect about the edits I made to this re Excel? (I wasn't logged in at the time BTW.) E.g. the 1900 leap year bug is well-known and you can easily verify it for yourself. Thanks Ben Finn (talk) 22:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm very sorry Bfinn. I often come across an LTA who introduces deliberate errors related to leap years (e.g. Special:Diff/1241716767), and I thought your edits were of that kind. I must have misremembered the "exception to the exception" rules at Leap year § Gregorian calendar, because your edits were correct – 1900 was not a leap year. I apologize for being too quick to think your edits were subtle vandalism. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:28, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

No problem, thanks. Ben Finn (talk) 22:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi!

Dear jlwoodwa, I write to you asking for a question... I saw an article about currencies and most of them doesn't have pictures of banknotes/coins to be displayed as pictures. Are there specific reasons why currency pictures are not uploaded? Why other currencies (and I mean actual banknotes, not historical ones) are allowed to be uploaded on Commons to be displayed properly?

Is there a way to be uploaded under Fair use on WP upload page instead of Commons? Adding the word 'Specimen' and with a medium quality could really help? My regards. Searcher200 (talk) 21:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Searcher200! I agree that articles on currency are significantly improved by having images. Commons only allows public-domain or freely-licensed images, and different countries have different copyright laws for their currency. For example, Albanian currency is public-domain and can be uploaded to Commons, while Algerian currency since 1958 has a non-commercial license and cannot be uploaded to Commons. However, the article on Algerian dinar can still have an image, since it's uploaded locally (i.e., to the English Wikipedia) as {{non-free currency}}. If you want to better understand how that works, I recommend reading Wikipedia's guideline on non-free content. I'd be happy to answer any more questions you have after that.

As for your last question, images should usually not be watermarked, and I'm unsure if there's an exception for currency. You could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics – somebody there should probably know. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, I have read all the links you gave me, and well, the thing is I want to upload Peruvian Banknotes. According to Commons:Currency, banknotes are not exempted to copyright, but they can be uploaded under Fair Use. According to this Wikimedia talk in here, it wouldn't violate the law of counterfeiting, which is not related to piracy. Also, the pictures would not be in high resolution, but similar sizes like this picture. Low-res would not be a problem, besides, the BRCP (Peru Central Bank) uploaded pictures of examples of peruvian banknotes, with the difference that the banknote code was a file of zeroes. Searcher200 (talk) 22:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Yep, that all seems correct to me. When you're ready to upload the picture, you can use the upload wizard. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I am reuniting the pictures, but first I need to know what are the right templates for the pictures (to place at the file's feet. First I need a template which specifies the resolution justification, another related to currency permission, and the fair use one. Thank you! Searcher200 (talk) 02:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I would use {{non-free currency}} along with {{non-free use rationale currency}}. The resolution should be no greater than 0.1 megapixels; a bot will automatically reduce its resolution for you if necessary. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

At first, I thought the resolution should be nor more than 1 megapixel, but when i reread your comment, I realized that it says '0.1 megapixel' What are the maximum dimensions of that? Does a bot will correct that while I'm uploading or will make the corrections once after it's uploaded? Thanks! Searcher200 (talk) Edit: About the non-free use rationale currency template, I checked it and have not clear what should I fill with in the fields... 05:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Stop a this!

Hey, stop saying that Digital Circus is an adult animation, you dirty guy! CroakyGames2010 (talk) 01:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:51, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Why do you do this when it's not an adult animation! CroakyGames2010 (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

September 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

		The New Page Patroller's Barnstar
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User:ReMonetary on bugger

Hello,

I'd just point out that you were right to revert ReMonetary's edit, but he reverted back with a nonsensical explanation - an unsubstantiated claim that the source is not reliable and that the information in it is 'false' and 'racist', neither of which is true. The source is a normal etymological dictionary, any other etymological dictionary gives the same information, e.g. [1], [2], and neither the author nor anybody else today is suggesting that the Bulgarians really were 'buggers'. This is just nationalist censorship of reliable information because of wounded patriotic feelings (and an insufficient sense of humour). And it was somewhat successful, because the article stayed as he wanted it for 8 days; if I hadn't happened to read it and then check its history, it might have stayed like that for 8 years, too. Now I have reverted it back, but if ReMonetary continues his efforts, the article may need the attention of more than one vandal patroller or, alternatively, to be protected.

Greetings, 62.73.72.3 (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hemanta Kumar Jamatia

You added the {{AI-generated}} tag to this article a few months ago. Do you remember why? It's not immediately clear what in the article indicates it was AI generated. Apocheir (talk) 23:30, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the first paragraph of Hemanta Kumar Jamatia § Biography was what made me suspicious. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:45, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Im Sorry

so i was the one to edit the page about ceramic and papyrus, im sorry, i just did it for funny, but now i regret my decision, do you accept my apology? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:5401:9A20:54FC:F697:39BA:D223 (talk) 22:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

It's alright, no harm done in the end. A couple silly edits don't disrupt Wikipedia all that much – they're quickly caught and quickly reverted. It would be more of a problem if you kept it up beyond those first few. Anyway, speaking of funny, maybe you'd enjoy WP:UNUSUAL? There's plenty of fun to be had on Wikipedia without vandalizing it. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Kalman Meir Bar and other drafts

Please don't turn off redirect creation when moving a sandbox draft into draft space. The redirect doesn't do any harm and might be useful. If another editor tries to review the sandbox, and there is no redirect, they get an error rather than being redirected. Moving a sandbox isn't one of the situations in which redirect creation should be suppressed. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Mr. Stradivarius/gadgets/Draftify § redirect defaults to not leaving a redirect. This makes sense to me – if a redirect is left, then I end up being the "creator" of the next article they draft. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

That's a point, explaining some of the stupid G13 messages I have gotten on drafts that I had nothing at all to do with. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Charli XCX

Hi, thanks for starting a clean up of references but note your recent edits removed the reference with archive copies detailed and kept the reference without archived copies.

Please also check other parameters such as dates, title, publisher, etc, as these also differed between instances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charli_XCX&diff=1254791685&oldid=1254167281 shows the before and after. --80.47.44.141 (talk) 19:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Fix a random page lacking sources

Cielquiparle (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Prehistoric cetacean categories

Hi Jlwoodwa, just wanted to ask about your replacement of Category:Monotypic prehistoric mammal genera with Category:Monotypic prehistoric placental genera on a number of pages on extinct cetaceans recently. Was this change discussed anywhere? Thanks in advance, The Morrison Man (talk) 16:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

For context, I'd been going through Category:Prehistoric mammal genera and moving all the monotypic ones to Category:Monotypic prehistoric mammal genera. After finishing with the A's, I noticed that I'd already doubled the size of Monotypic prehistoric mammal genera, so in anticipation of all the other articles to come, I proactively diffused what was already there.

I thought it was pretty uncontroversial – Category:Prehistoric placental genera already exists, and (e.g.) Category:Prehistoric cetacean genera is a subcategory of it. And it's standard practice to diffuse taxonomic categories. So I didn't discuss this particular change anywhere – I just boldly did it. If you have any questions or issues with the change, feel free to start a discussion – either here at my user talk page, or somewhere like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life if you want broader input (ideally pinging me in that case). jlwoodwa (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I was just curious because I saw it happen to many pages at once, but have no further issues with it. Thanks for responding so quickly! The Morrison Man (talk) 18:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Gratitude

Thank you for moving the page.

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Draft:Legends PR

Hi can you cehck this Draft:Legends PR and iprove it with your edits and it is good for mainspace? Inlovewithjournalism (talk) 08:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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Sorry, thanks for the mistakes. I thought it was a mixtape i am very sorry i will not do it again. please forgive me for the mistakes 2601:145:80:2D40:E888:D3C7:46E1:81E (talk) 12:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

speedy deletion of redirect that seems implausible or is an unlikely search term.

please delete that. thanks. I apologize for any confusion. Since you are a moderator, could I kindly request you to review and consider removing the noindex tag from the main page for Rifat Hasan, as I have checked and noticed it is currently tagged with noindex. Thank you. Morshedul Alam Talukdar (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, so I can't delete pages myself, but SilverLocust has already deleted the Rifat Hasan.. redirect. It's alright, but in the future please be more careful when moving pages. As for the noindex, articles aren't indexed until 90 days have passed or they're approved by a new page reviewer. (I am a new page reviewer, which is probably why you thought I was a moderator, but I mostly review redirects and taxonomy articles – reviewing biographies of living people takes a different set of skills.) jlwoodwa (talk) 03:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying your role as a new page reviewer. I’m aware of the 90-day policy. Despite that, it would be very helpful if you could review the page I created, as a page reviewer. Thanks again for your help! Morshedul Alam Talukdar (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Replying for "Monumental Cemetery of Crotone"

Hi Jlwoodwa, thank you for your message...I deeply understand your concerns about the originality of the text I created, but honestly, aside from using an AI chatbot here and there for minor spelling fixes that I might have missed, everything else comes from my own hard work and careful translation. I’ve worked as an interpreter for a while and been an examiner for language certifications, and now I’m currently doing an English internship with a tutor to qualify for teaching in high schools as well. Plus, I’ve got the book myself, so every page I referenced was chosen by me, one at a time—they’re definitely not random. Honestly, I’m not sure what else I could do to prove its originality to you. Let me know when you can. Thanks a lot, and keep up the great work!

P.S. = I just added the "Translated page" template to the article’s talk page—I totally forgot to include it earlier when I first created the entry. My bad! RennyDJ (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

November 2024 - Phil Kelly (Royal Marines)

Thanks, @Jlwoodwa - I used AI to give me some formatting structure to this page and to write in the correct wikipedia coding. I'm an EVTOL enthusiast, there is not much in the way of wikipedia information in this industry; the people, the technology etc. so I am hoping to contribute to this. I started by trying out this page, as he has an interesting background and now works in this industry. Any help for edits or pointers that would be great. Thanks! Diddlybop-9 (talk) 14:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Re: Remove unnecessary parentheses/disambiguator

I strongly disagree with this habit of preventatively removing disambiguation in titles. There are approximately a dozen or so famous works with the name "Gust of Wind". The idea that an editor creates disambiguation with this mind should be paramount, not the other way around. Viriditas (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing English Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead.
— WP:D2D

I used to try to do "anticipatory disambiguation" too – I made Talk:Jason Baumgartner § Requested move 16 April 2024 just half a year ago – but it's just not how Wikipedia does disambiguation. The way you establish the need for disambiguation is by finding other things with the same name that Wikipedia describes. The only other mention I could find on Wikipedia of something named "The Gust of Wind" was The Gun Salute's pendant, and that's just a passing mention – I think the Renoir painting is still the primary topic. But if you disagree, you can revert the undiscussed move and I'll make a requested move so it can be discussed further. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I entirely disagree with Wikipedia editors doing the process exactly backwards, which is why I don't do it. We should be doing anticipatory disambiguation within a field to prevent extra work in the future, which entirely escapes the people working on disambiguation because they are not actively creating articles. I'm not reverting anything, I'm displaying my 20 year-long unhappiness with how backwards things are and why if I spend more than 20 seconds discussing it, I immediately start looking for an available hammer to take to my computer. In other words, nothing is going to change, the people working on disambiguation are going to continue doing things backwards and making more work for other people, and I'm going to continue to make things easier while being constantly reverted at every step because "that's not the way we do things". Facepalm. Viriditas (talk) 00:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I think the consensus is that pages should have as much disambiguation as is currently necessary, and no more (WP:CONCISE). Even if it means more work later, it's easier to work with what we have now, rather than what we might have later. I don't see what "not creating articles" has to do with it – the extra work in the future is the work of moving pages and maintaining the disambiguation system, which is exactly what I was doing when I moved The Gust of Wind. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Creating articles has everything to do with it. I'm planning to create all the different articles in advance. I've done this many times before. See Woman with a Cat. The reason many "rules" on Wikipedia are so backwards, is because they are created by people who aren't impacted by them, i.e. those who don't write the articles. Now I have to go back and move the articles you moved when I create the next sequence in the series. Thanks for the extra work. And how did Wikipedia suffer from my original title? Note, it didn't, not in any way. These are the kinds of rules that should be ignored, because they are created by petty tyrants who make life more difficult, not easier. The bottom line is that Wikipedia is fully of giddy little rules-creators, who love to create meaningless rules that make things difficult for others. I get it, you will continue to follow these arbitrary rules, but I will continue to ignore them. Have a great day, and thanks for making my life slightly more difficult. Viriditas (talk) 01:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I just created a stub for The Gust of Wind (Courbet), moved The Gust of Wind (Renoir) back to its original title, and converted The Gust of Wind to a {{painting index}}. Have a great day yourself, and thanks for inspiring me to create a new article. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Good work. I'm impressed. Viriditas (talk) 01:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank You note

Thanks for that, I was mistaken because the article was damaged by a kemalism fanatic (user: Aybeg) so I reverted the revision. Rotertruthahn (talk) 10:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Please do not describe other editors as fanatics. Even if you think someone's edit made an article worse instead of better, you should assume good faith, or in other words, act on the presumption that both of you want to improve the article. jlwoodwa (talk) 10:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't have revised his article if he hadn't targeted only 1 particular religious community in all his edits Rotertruthahn (talk) 10:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)