We recently talked about a mystery: All large language models (LLMs) are terrible at chess. All, that is, except for gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct, which for some reason can play at an advanced amateur level. This is despite the fact that this model is more than a year old and much smaller than recent models. What’s going on?

I suggested four possible explanations:

• Theory 1: Large enough base models are good at chess, but this doesn’t persist through instruction tuning to chat models.

• Theory 2: For some reason, gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct was trained on more chess data.

• Theory 3: There’s something magical about certain LLM architectures.

• Theory 4: There’s “competition” between different types of data, so for an LLM to play chess well, you need a large fraction of the data to be chess games.

The internet offered several other theories. The most common were:

• Theory 5: OpenAI is cheating.

• Theory 6: LLMs can’t actually play chess.

• Theory 7: Large enough base models are good at chess, but this doesn’t persist through instruction tuning to chat models, Dynomight you are so bad for not suggesting this, how are you so dumb and bad?

I’ve now done new experiments and—good news—everyone is wrong!

Here, I’ll show that recent chat models can play chess quite well, as long as you’re willing to go through sufficiently extreme contortions to figure out how to prompt them. Then I’ll give my theory for what’s happening.

But first…

I really don’t think OpenAI is cheating

I was astonished that half the internet is convinced that OpenAI is cheating. Many, many people suggested that there must be some special case in gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct that recognizes chess notation and calls out to an external chess engine.

I think this is extremely unlikely. Because:

1. Many people from OpenAI have said they didn’t do that. Sure, people lie, but conspiracies are hard, and why lie about this?

2. In chess, you can arrive at the same board state via different sequences of moves. Chess engines don’t care, but gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct does care and plays very differently for different move sequences.

3. While gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct is great by the standards of chess amateurs, it’s bad by the standards of experts and pathetic by the standards of chess engines. If you’re going to cheat, why stop at an Elo of 1750?

4. If you change the way you prompt gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct, this will subtly change how it plays. Is there some neural network that looks at the text and dynamically sets the chess engine skill level?

5. Later OpenAI models are by default much worse. Did they remove the cheat?

6. I will show (below) that later OpenAI models can also play well if you use the right incantations.

If OpenAI did cheat, they went to insane lengths to cheat in a way that looks exactly like an LLM is choosing the moves and not at all like calling out to an external chess engine.

Yes, LLMs can play chess

I was also surprised to see so many people suggest that LLMs can’t really play chess, all they do is memorize openings and then play randomly.

This is wrong. LLMs can definitely play chess, and we need to make peace with this.

For one, gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct rarely suggests illegal moves, even in the late game. This requires “understanding” chess. If this doesn’t convince you, I encourage you to write a program that can take strings like 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 and then say if the last move was legal.

And I defy you to maintain that LLMs can’t play chess after looking at some actual games. Here are ten: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. It plays pretty well even in completely new board states that have never existed in any game before in history.

So what’s happening?

Why is one LLM great and all the others terrible?

Let me remind you of what I’m talking about. First, take gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct. This is a “completion” model, meaning all it does is take some text and generate new text that might come after. I gave it text like this:

[Event "Shamkir Chess"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Topalov, Veselin"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2779"]
[BlackElo "2740"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3.

I then took the first few characters and used them as a move.

Next, take gpt-4o-mini and gpt-4o. These are “chat” models, meaning you give them a “system prompt” that says what they’re supposed to do and a “user prompt” and then they try to answer you. I used this system prompt:

You are a chess grandmaster.
You will be given a partially completed game.
After seeing it, you should choose the next move.
Use standard algebraic notation, e.g. "e4" or "Rdf8" or "R1a3".
NEVER give a turn number.
NEVER explain your choice.

Here are the results of these three models against Stockfish—a standard chess AI—on level 1, with a maximum of 0.01 seconds to make each move. After the game was over, I calculated the score after each turn in “centipawns” where a pawn is worth 100 points, and ±1500 indicates a win or loss. Here is the average over 50 games (click to zoom in):

Note: Last time I found that gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct won every single game and gpt-4o lost every game. I think the difference now is just that I have 50 samples rather than 10.

So that’s the mystery: gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct is great, and other models are terrible. Last time I tested lots of open models and they were terrible too. Why?

To answer this, let’s see if we can make these other models play chess better.

Should we fiddle with the prompt?

You can nitpick at how I prompted the chat models. Is it a good idea to repeat the system prompt at the top of the user prompt? Is it a good idea to add all the metadata like user names before you start listing moves?

As far as I can tell, no one knows. So I tried every combination of these things being on or off. With gpt-4o-mini (a small model) it seemed to make little difference.

With gpt-4o (a bigger model) it… maybe made a difference?

Taken at face value, this says that repeating the system prompt helps a bit but metadata hurts a bit. But I’m not sure if that’s real or just noise. For simplicity, I decided to not repeat the system prompt and to turn off metadata for all further experiments.

Should we add examples?

The results were:

Very good.

Is this surprising? I thought this was surprising.

I mean, sure, this kind of “in-context learning” is a big part of what makes LLMs so exciting. And examples are probably the most standard piece of advice from practitioners.

Still, I was blown away that three tiny examples could have such a profound effect on performance. More (or different) examples might be even better. I didn’t check, because generating each of these figures requires an ungodly number of queries.

Should we fine-tune?

Another standard (albeit more difficult) way to improve LLMs is to fine-tune—to optimize the weights to be good at whatever task using data for that task.

So I did this for both gpt-4o-mini and gpt-4o.

The results were:

Good! Fine-tuning helps.

Note: The first time I fine-tuned gpt-4o, the results seemed bad, so I ran it again with a smaller step size. This makes me nervous.

Should we combine examples and fine-tuning?

If examples are good, and fine-tuning is good, will putting them together be even better?

My intuition was no, since three in-context examples seems trivial when compared to 100 fine-tuning examples. Once fine-tuning was done, I figured the examples would be superfluous.

The answer was no, but for different reasons:

According to that figure, fine-tuning helps. And examples help. But once you have fine-tuning, examples do nothing. And once you have examples, fine-tuning is actually harmful?

Ohkay.

Should we provide legal moves?

LLMs sometimes struggle to give legal moves. In these experiments, I try 10 times and if there’s still no legal move, I just pick one at random. So I wondered: Maybe I could help the LLM out by listing the legal moves before giving the game history? Some might say this is “cheating”, but let’s try it anyway.

Here are the results:

Disaster. Listing the legal moves makes the models play much worse. They don’t just win fewer games, they start making mistakes after a much smaller number of turns.

Ohhhkay. I guess let’s not do that.

I had an idea

Thinking about the above, I had an idea. An idea that I think is… rather good.

Let’s back up a second. To make an LLM, you first make a “base” model. All that base models do is take a string and continue it. Given The best tea is , they have some probability of outputting green tea or oolong or whatever. (The right answer is oolong.)

If you want an LLM that can talk to you, you can sort of get a base model to do this by sending them strings that look like this:

(Transcript of chat between USER and ASSISTANT who is super chill and answers all questions without judgment.)

USER: How do I know if squirrels like me?

ASSISTANT:

LLMs trained on general text are smart enough to recognize that what comes next is probably something that a super chill agent would say to a neurotic user. So they’ll typically do something reasonable. But in practice, they aren’t great. The responses tend to reflect the chaos of the internet, which isn’t exactly what you want from an assistant.

Chat models go further in two ways. First, they create special tokens to indicate the different parts of the conversation, sort of like this (except you should think of <|SYSTEM|> et al. as being single special characters).

<|SYSTEM|>
You are a chatbot that is super chill and answers all questions without judgement.
<|USER|>
How do I know if squirrels like me?
<|ASSISTANT|>

Then, they do “instruction tuning”—they re-train the weights so that the model is good at responding to prompts given in this format.

So, when I asked gpt-4o to predict a chess move, the string that was actually presented to the system looked sort of like this:

<|SYSTEM|>
You are a chess grandmaster.
You will be given a list of legal moves and a partially completed game.
After seeing it, you should choose the next move.
Use standard algebraic notation, e.g. "e4" or "Rdf8" or "R1a3".
NEVER give a turn number.
NEVER explain your choice.
<|USER|>
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3.
<|ASSISTANT|>

To make gpt-4o, OpenAI first made a base model. As far as I know, that model doesn’t have a name, so let’s call it gpt-4-base. It then did instruction tuning and stuck the instruction-tuned model behind the chat interface, to give us gpt-4o. (It also did some other stuff like distillation, but never mind.)

I’ve gone through all this background because it allows us to state a central question: How good is gpt-4-base at chess? Is it as good at gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct? And if it is, then why is gpt-4o worse? Is it because of the instruction tuning? Or is it just because of the chat template, with the <|USER|> and <|ASSISTANT|> tokens floating around in ways that don’t happen in chess games written down in PGN notation?

I’m not sure, because OpenAI doesn’t deign to share gpt-4-base, nor to allow queries of gpt-4o in completion mode. But maybe we can help gpt-4o remember its evolutionary history. Maybe we can prompt gpt-4o in a way that will sort of trick it into responding more like it was in completion mode.

Should we regurgitate?

Thus my idea: Instead of just asking for a move, how about we ask the model to repeat the whole game and then give a move?

I changed the system prompt to this:

You are a chess grandmaster.
You will be given a partially completed game.
After seeing it, you should repeat the ENTIRE GAME and then give ONE new move.
Use standard algebraic notation, e.g. "e4" or "Rdf8" or "R1a3".
ALWAYS repeat the entire representation of the game so far.
NEVER explain your choice.

Given a prompt like 1. e4 e5 2. I expected the model to return an output like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf7. I checked to make sure it successfully repeated the entire game before giving a new legal move.

This works:

By forcing the models to repeat the whole move sequence, you force the model to create a context for itself where it’s much more likely to choose good moves.

This makes gpt-4o-mini and gpt-4o better. It also seems like strong evidence that if we could query gpt-4-base in completion mode, it would be pretty good.

Note: When using this type of prompt, I first gave the model ten tries to repeat the whole sequence and then give a legal move at the end. If none of those tries succeeded, I gave it another ten tries to at least produce a legal move after the new turn number, even if it didn’t repeat the whole game perfectly. If that still didn’t succeed, I chose a move at random.

Can we regurgitate better?

Fine-tuning is good. Regurgitation is good. Are they good together?

This… maybe helped a little?

And how about examples? Will they improve regurgitation?

Like before, these had a remarkable impact given how little information they contain.

And should we combine examples and fine tuning?

Here we have the same (strange) result as without regurgitation. If you fine-tune, then adding examples helps. But it’s still worse than examples without fine-tuning.

Where do we stand?

What have we learned so far?

• GOOD: Regurgitation, examples, fine tuning (without examples)
• UNCLEAR: Metadata, repeating the system prompt, fine tuning (with examples)
• BAD: Providing the list of legal moves

So if we use regurgitation and examples and turn everything else off, how good is it? Will it play as well as our old nemesis?

No. It’s respectable, but still not quite as good as gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct.

To compare these more directly, I had gpt-4o + regurgitate + examples play 50 games against gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct. In all cases, gpt-4o was white.

According to this calculator, that’s consistent with an Elo difference of -191. But you need to account for the fact that gpt-4o was always white, reportedly worth around 35 Elo. Since gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct has been measured at around 1750 Elo, this suggests gpt-4o with regurgitation and examples hits around 1750 - 191 - 35/2 ≈ 1540 Elo, which is still “intermediate amateur” territory.

Here are 10 games of gpt-4o + regurgitate + examples playing against Stockfish: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

And here are 10 games of gpt-4o + regurgitate + examples playing against gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

So here’s my current theory

Here’s my best guess for what is happening:

Part 1: OpenAI trains its base models on datasets with more/better chess games than those used by open models.

Part 2: Recent base OpenAI models would be excellent at chess (in completion mode, if we could access them). But the chat models that we actually get access to aren’t.

I think part 1 is true because all the open models are terrible at chess, regardless of if they are base models or chat models. I suspect this is not some kind of architectural limitation—if you fine-tuned llama-3.1-70b on billions of expert chess games, I would be surprised if it could not beat gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct (rumored to have only around 20 billion parameters).

Meanwhile, in section A.2 of this paper (h/t Gwern) some OpenAI authors mention that GPT-4 was trained on chess games in PGN notation, filtered to only include players with Elo at least 1800. I haven’t seen any public confirmation that gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct used the same data, but it seems plausible. And can it really be a coincidence that gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct plays games in PGN notation with a measured Elo of 1750?

I can’t find any details about how much chess data was included when training Llama et al. I’m sure many games made their way in from the open internet. But specifically curating a giant database of high quality games probably just gives better results, and the open models probably just didn’t do that.

(Incidentally, I encourage people at all AI companies to leak secrets to me. If you use the anonymous feedback form, please write with sufficient technicality that I can verify your expertise. Secrets will be used only for good, not evil.)

It’s also conceivable that some models are playing worse because they have too much chess data. It could be that the open internet has too many games from low-skill players and that if you don’t filter these out, then the models correctly predict that players would make low-quality moves. But I suspect not, because a smart model would recognize that if the sequence of moves so far is high skill then the player isn’t a total idiot and probably won’t throw away their queen. But the models don’t seem to do that.

I think part 2 of my theory is true mostly because of the experiments I did in this post: If you do weird contortions to “trick” OpenAI chat models into behaving more like completion models, then they play much better. So I suspect that the underlying base models (which we can’t touch) are good.

Now, there’s a major uncertainty in part 2. If gpt-4o in chat mode is worse than gpt-4-base in completion mode, then why? Is it the chat interface or the instruction tuning, or both? Put another way, would gpt-4-base be good at chess in a simulated chat mode? And would gpt-4o be good if we could query it in completion mode?

It’s impossible to say, because we can’t do those experiments.

Parting thoughts

1. Isn’t it great how much of AI is now palace intrigue?

2. It’s very likely that there are ways to coax better behavior out of gpt-4o. In truth, I barely scratched the surface here.

3. It’s ridiculously hard to find the optimal combination of prompts and examples and fine-tuning, etc. It’s a very large space, there are no easy abstractions to allow you to search through the space, LLMs are unpredictable and fragile, and these experiments are slow and expensive.

4. I tried running the final recipe with gpt-4 (rather than gpt-4o), and it played poorly. I suspect the reason is that the combination of tricks I found is gpt-4o specific. Maybe gpt-4 needs a different prompt? Or more examples? Or would respond better to fine-tuning? Who knows.

5. In many ways, this feels less like engineering and more like a search for spells.

P.S.

Thanks to the Automator for crucial guidance and boundless patience. Thanks to Daniel Gross for paying for all the electrons. Here is some good prior work on LLMs and chess:

• Adam Karvonen’s chess gpt eval repo, which does careful tests on how good gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct is.

• Adam Karvonen’s chess llm interpretability repo and paper, “Emergent World Models and Latent Variable Estimation in Chess-Playing Language Models” which show, among other things, that gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct a small LLM trained on chess data does seem to build up some kind of internal representation of board state.

• Matheiu Archer’s estimates of ELO for gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct and gpt-3.5-turbo and gpt-4. This also experiments with different temperatures.

• Transcendence: Generative Models Can Outperform The Experts That Train Them (h/t WTFwhatthehell)

• Nicholas Carlini’s Playing chess with large language models. Among other things, this estimates gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct to have an Elo of 1750±50.

• Daniel Paleka’s llm chess proofgame repo.

Update (2024/11/21): Corrected one example output, in which I had previously put an illegal move. (Why am I so bad?) This only slightly improved the results, which makes the large benefits of the examples even more mysterious.

Update (2024/11/22): Updated to use a reference of 1750 Elo for gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct rather than 1800.