Wikidata:Events/Telegram office hour 2024-10-16

Participants

1. Andy Mabbett
2. Camillo
3. Christos
4. Deepesha Burse
5. GreenReaper
6. Ifenomenal
7. Jan Ainali
8. Jon Amar
9. Lucas Werkmeister
10. Lydia Pintscher
11. Mohammed Sadat Abdulai
12. Nicolas VIGNERON
13. Peter Patel-Schneider
14. Romaine
15. Sotho Tal Ker
16. Valerie WMDE
17. মাহির মোরশেদ

Content

2024-10-16T16:03:58 <Maia> <new_chat_participant,new_chat_member,new_chat_members>
2024-10-16T16:04:10 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> In the first half we’ll present the news around the development of Wikidata & Wikibase from the past quarter as well as other interesting non-dev things that happened in the community
2024-10-16T16:04:32 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> After that, we will tell you more about what is coming up for the rest of the year
2024-10-16T16:04:45 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> So, let's begin with what happened around development over the last 3 months. Starting with @nightrose for #Wikidata :)
2024-10-16T16:04:57 <Lydia Pintscher> Thanks Mohammed!
2024-10-16T16:05:11 <Lydia Pintscher> On the Wikidata development side a few thigns happened:
2024-10-16T16:06:06 <Lydia Pintscher> We continued to work on making it easier to build applications with Wikidata's data. We built out the REST API to now also include language fallbacks and improved its error messages and error handling.
2024-10-16T16:06:49 <Lydia Pintscher> <link_preview_options> In addition we Put up the new developer portal to give developers more info about how to work with Wikidata's data and some inspiration for what is possible: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:For_developers
2024-10-16T16:06:59 <Lydia Pintscher> Please spread the word about it 😉
2024-10-16T16:07:38 <Lydia Pintscher> On the data side we rolled out the new mul language code in a limited release and have been working on adressing any issues found during this limited rollout now.
2024-10-16T16:08:07 <Lydia Pintscher> We've done the same for the few issues that popped up with the new datatype for EntitySchemas that we released in July.
2024-10-16T16:08:16 <Andy Mabbett> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "This is our final of…" <message_thread_id> So we should wish each other Happy Christmas? ;-)
2024-10-16T16:08:53 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> reply to <Andy Mabbett> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> not so soon :)
2024-10-16T16:09:27 <Lydia Pintscher> Probably the most impactful thing happening at the moment is around the Query Service: the graph split. The Search Platform team has been doing the major work in setting up the new query services that will each only have a part of the data, one with the Items for scholarly articles and one with the rest.
2024-10-16T16:09:58 <Lydia Pintscher> You are very much encouraged to test this now before it goes into full effect in early 2025. At that point query.wikidata.org will not contain the scholarly article Items anymore.
2024-10-16T16:10:16 <Lydia Pintscher> <link_preview_options> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/thread/HWKBCPKPL5D4HN6TPJQ6PRCGAFHY7WFE/ has all the info and I'm happy to answer more questions later if anyone has them.
2024-10-16T16:10:45 <Andy Mabbett> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "On the data side we …" <message_thread_id> To where should d:WD:Mul be best redirected?
2024-10-16T16:11:17 <Lydia Pintscher> In the same area: we have looked at query logs and are figuring out which parts could be better served with already existing services like the REST API or elastic search and which ones would need new services built.
2024-10-16T16:11:54 <Lydia Pintscher> <link_preview_options> We've also started a survey for application developers to better understand their needs and current problems: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Usability_and_usefulness/2024-Data_access_methods
2024-10-16T16:12:07 <Lydia Pintscher> Those two things together will help us make a decision about how to move forward.
2024-10-16T16:12:14 <Romaine> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "who is ready to part…" <message_thread_id> is there cake?
2024-10-16T16:12:25 <Lydia Pintscher> If you are developing applications with Wikidata's data please please please do fill out the survey.
2024-10-16T16:12:36 <Ifenomenal> reply to <Romaine> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> you have to wait until the birthday
2024-10-16T16:13:02 <Lydia Pintscher> And one other nice thing from the search platform team: Search: The haswbstatement search magic word has been improved by the Search Platform Team. Previously it was limited in which Properties were indexed for it. Going forward haswbstatement:P123 will work for all Properties, regardless of their datatype. This will allow you to filter search results for Items that have a statement with a specific Property. (Searching for a specific complete statement with haswbstatement:P123=xxx will still only work for specific datatypes.)
2024-10-16T16:13:23 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> reply to <Andy Mabbett> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> Help:Default values for labels and aliases
2024-10-16T16:13:33 <Romaine> reply to <Ifenomenal> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id,link_preview_options> sounds fair, the cake we had yesterday shouldn't be eaten too many times of course - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/File:Maastricht_University_Wikidata_workshop_with_12th_birthday_of_Wikidata_(9).jpg
2024-10-16T16:14:09 <Lydia Pintscher> Besides these bigger things we've also done some more fixes to prepare for the upcoming IP masking/temporary account change which will mean that not-logged-in users will no longer reveal their IP in edit summaries.
2024-10-16T16:14:54 <Lydia Pintscher> And last but not least we've been working on migrating the Query Builder and Special:NewLexeme to the new Codex design system.
2024-10-16T16:15:19 <Lydia Pintscher> And with that I hand over to Ifeatu for some news around integrating Wikidata better with the other Wikimedia projects.
2024-10-16T16:15:44 <Ifenomenal> Hey everyone! So nice to chat with you all. This is Ifeatu :)
2024-10-16T16:16:10 <Peter Patel-Schneider> On thing that really bugged me about the survey is that correctness was not one of the parameters in the importance questions.
2024-10-16T16:16:12 <Ifenomenal> We spent the last quarter doing onboarding for our two new Engineers
2024-10-16T16:17:28 <Ifenomenal> We collected tickets that would give our new developers opportunities to explore the MediaWiki codebase whilst also tackling some long-held Phabricator tickets. Some of these are:

• [T295356] Entity usage for mw.wikibase:getSitelink()
  
• [T66315] Move Wikidata “data item” link into “In Other Projects” section of sidebar
  
• [T370045] Monitor sidebar Wikidata item link usage
  

and

• [T279069] Fix wikidata entity usage tracking and access count
  

2024-10-16T16:18:12 <Ifenomenal> We're constantly updating our project page and our phabricator board and we're really grateful for all the community members who have already spoken to us in the process of working on these tickets.
2024-10-16T16:18:31 <Ifenomenal> I'm having over to Jon to share some Wikibase Suite dev news
2024-10-16T16:18:39 <Ifenomenal> 💥
2024-10-16T16:18:41 <Jon Amar> Thanks Ifeatu 😄
2024-10-16T16:19:37 <Jon Amar> So first off, I'm so excited to share that Deepesha, our developer advocate, has joined the team! More about Deepesha later in non-dev topics 😄 but I just couldn't wait 😉
2024-10-16T16:19:48 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> 🙌🏿
2024-10-16T16:20:37 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> In Q3, the Wikibase Suite engineering team focused on improving our release tools (using the CI tools in nx: https://nx.dev/features/manage-releases) to make our releases easier to publish, automating much of the repetitive, manual work involved in publishing new releases to you in the community.
2024-10-16T16:21:12 <Jon Amar> <link_preview_options> So putting this into the larger picture... Between the more transparent versioning scheme (https://semver.org/), the ability to release more granular products (i.e. we can update each OCI image we ship and WBS Deploy individually now: https://github.com/wmde/wikibase-release-pipeline ), and the forthcoming changelogs – we now have the infrastructure to support more transparency around what precisely changed in each release.
2024-10-16T16:21:32 <Jon Amar> The idea being that this will make tasks easier for self-hosting users, like updating the software; giving you more accessible and more frequent access to the improvements we ship to Wikibase.
2024-10-16T16:22:34 <Jon Amar> Our next step is to complete ongoing alignment across engineering and community communications to build on this new infrastructure so that you all can benefit from more transparency about what has changed across each release.
2024-10-16T16:23:30 <Jon Amar> That's it for Suite however I have the honor and privilege of doing Cloud's annoucements this time around 🙂
2024-10-16T16:23:41 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "If you are developin…" <message_thread_id> BTW, the survey is open until October 21st 2024.
2024-10-16T16:23:46 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Peter Patel-Schneider> "On thing that really…" <message_thread_id> The survey focuses on data access at this point because it is meant to give us a better understanding of which additional services/APIs/... we need to allow developers to more easily access Wikidata's data. We didn't add correctness of the data as an option because that didn't seem to influence the way you access the data.
Obviously improving data quality/correctness/... continues to be a big topic.
2024-10-16T16:24:21 <Jon Amar> The Cloud team enabled federated queries across already existing instances. And they plan to automatically include emerging instances into the scope of federation later.
2024-10-16T16:25:12 <Jon Amar> The cloudies also established an approach to measuring health metrics for the product and tried it out. We will build on this to settle on a sustainable solution in the future.
2024-10-16T16:25:32 <Jon Amar> [Jon editorialises] As us LOD folx know... better data makes for better decision making
2024-10-16T16:25:53 <Peter Patel-Schneider> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> The project that I was in changed how it accessed Wikidata because of quality. We could not use direct access to Wikidata because of quallity concerns and instead had to extract and massage the data to paper over the quality problems. I just heard of another project that did the same.
2024-10-16T16:25:56 <Jon Amar> The cloud team also performed some important software updates and addressed a security problem.
2024-10-16T16:26:27 <Jon Amar> Back to you Mohammed for non dev topics 👏
2024-10-16T16:26:49 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> awesome stuff, thanks Jon
2024-10-16T16:27:05 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Now, let's have a quick overview of what happened outside of all the development things
2024-10-16T16:27:30 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We had 6 new admin requests this quarter -- a record after quite some time! Four of them were successfull
2024-10-16T16:27:38 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Big congratulations and welcome aboard to User:Wüstenspringmaus, User:Mohammed Qays, User:Putnik, and User:Andrei Stroe 🎉
2024-10-16T16:27:59 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Sixteen new bot requests were submitted this quarter, and nine were approved! 🙌
2024-10-16T16:28:04 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> A big thanks to everyone running these bots and to those who participated in the discussions and approvals. You're all making Wikidata better! 😊
2024-10-16T16:28:31 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Several RFCs were raised this quarter, and one still needs your input: “Additional rights for bureaucrats”
2024-10-16T16:28:54 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> This proposal suggests giving Wikidata bureaucrats the ability to remove admin rights -- something they currently can’t do. The goal is to streamline processes, rely less on stewards, and align with other wikis
2024-10-16T16:29:05 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Feel free to weigh in and share your thoughts here: Wikidata:Requests for comment/Additional rights for bureaucrats
2024-10-16T16:29:23 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> For anyone who missed it, there was a discussion about enabling the m:CampaignEvents extension on Wikidata. The community approved, and it’s now installed and currently being tested by the WMF
2024-10-16T16:29:40 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Event organizers can then request the Event Organizer rights, which will make managing community events and projects on the wikis much easier. You can find more details here: Wikidata:Event Organizers
2024-10-16T16:29:52 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> There were several community events, and here are just a few highlights:
2024-10-16T16:30:04 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> In August, Wikimania 2024 took place in Katowice, Poland, featuring some exciting Wikidata-related events. If you missed any sessions, you can catch up with the replays here: https://www.youtube.com/@TheWikimediaFoundation/videos
2024-10-16T16:30:15 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> In September, the Celtic Knot Wikimedia Languages Conference took place, focusing on Celtic, indigenous, and minority languages in virtual spaces. We hosted a Lexicographical data workshop where participants got their first hands-on experience editing Lexemes. You can check out the documentation here: m:Celtic Knot Conference 2024/Program
2024-10-16T16:30:39 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Earlier in October the m:WikiIndaba conference 2024 focusing on Africans happened in Johannesburg. WE held a Lexemes workshop there as well. We also started conversation layiunug the groundworks to focus on building the capacity of of Wikidata comntributirs in Eastern Africa in 2025
2024-10-16T16:31:00 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Are you a soccer fan? If so, you’ll be excited to know that the Uganda Wiki Soccerthon 2024 is currently underway! The goal is to create Wikidata items related to Ugandan soccer, including clubs, players, coaches, leagues, and associations. m:Wiki Soccerthons 2024 in Uganda
2024-10-16T16:31:17 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> I’d like to give a big shoutout to the LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group! For many years, they’ve been hosting discussions on Wikidata-related topics to explore how libraries can contribute to and utilize Wikidata as a platform for publishing, linking, and enriching library linked data. Be sure to check them out: Wikidata:WikiProject LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group
2024-10-16T16:31:27 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Also, a huge shoutout to our colleagues in the mw:Wikimedia Search Platform team! They regularly host office hours to discuss all things related to the Wikidata Query Service and Search. Check out their Etherpad to find out when you can join their next session: Search Platform Office Hours.https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Search_Platform_Office_Hours
2024-10-16T16:31:50 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Looking ahead:
2024-10-16T16:31:56 <Ifenomenal> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "Are you a soccer fan…" <message_thread_id> I hope they score 🇺🇬
2024-10-16T16:31:57 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Mark your calendars for the Scholia hackathon from October 18-20, where discussions will tackle updates related to the Wikidata graph split: Wikidata:Scholia/Events/Hackathon October 2024
2024-10-16T16:32:11 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We're especially excited about the Wikidata:Twelfth Birthday celebration!
2024-10-16T16:32:17 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Decentralized events will take place in October and November 2024
2024-10-16T16:32:30 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Have a look at the birthday parties and more planned around the world add your event to the global calendar and the map, following the instructions here: Wikidata:Twelfth Birthday/Run an event/Schedule
2024-10-16T16:32:40 <Jan Ainali> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id> That may be the most obscure way to list the times :)
Why not just on the wiki?
2024-10-16T16:33:27 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Also, don't forget to prepare presents for the celebration
2024-10-16T16:34:08 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> take a look at the presents from past birthdays for some inspriration
2024-10-16T16:34:30 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Lastly, the development team has been reflecting on the current landscape and future prospects of Wikidata events. We've published a report titled "The Future of Wikidata Events," and we invite everyone to read it and share your thoughts to help shape the direction of our community events: Wikidata talk:Events#"The Future of Wikidata Events" Report Now Available on Wikimedia Commons
2024-10-16T16:34:45 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> In Q.4 several new tools were developed, and some existing tools received renewed attention that you might have overlooked
2024-10-16T16:34:48 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Jan Ainali> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id,link_preview_options> They also have something on wiki here: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Search_Platform/Contact#Office_Hours But I'll forward it
2024-10-16T16:34:57 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> KDE Itinerary (https://apps.kde.org/itinerary/) is KDE's travel assistant app that collects all the information about your travel inside a single application. It now has a lot more Wikidata integration
2024-10-16T16:35:09 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> New Q5 (https://new-q5.toolforge.org/) is a form that quickly sets up a Wikidata Item for an individual by generating a QuickStatement with the basic parameters such as name and age
2024-10-16T16:35:14 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> User:Teester/CheckShex.js is a Userscript that adds an input box to a Wikidata page wherein you can enter an EntitySchema (such as E10). When you click "Check", it uses pyshexy to validate the entity against the schema and displays whether the entity passes or fails
2024-10-16T16:35:21 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Forage is a user script that provides an additional editing interface that makes editing easier, by showing the expected properties for a page (based on its "P31" values), and providing simple inputs to let users add values for any such property. To install Forage, just add the following line to the common.js subpage under your user page on Wikidata, i.e. wikidata.org/wiki/User:Your username here/common.js: importScript('User:Techwizzie/forage.js');
2024-10-16T16:35:28 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Three new Userscripts for Wikidata by User:Lagewi to simplify reading references, explore property-value pairs in use for a statement or attaching a full bibliography to the end of the item page: https://larsgw.blogspot.com/2023/12/three-new-userscripts-for-wikidata.html
2024-10-16T16:35:35 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Seventeen new WikiProjects started this past quarter, marking a new record 📚✨ Here are a few highlights:
2024-10-16T16:35:46 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:WikiProject Human Cells - dedicated to improve our coverage of information about these fundamental entities that compose organisms
2024-10-16T16:35:57 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:WikiProject Wikibooks pages - The goal is to add Wikidata items for every Wikibooks page.
2024-10-16T16:36:07 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:WikiProject Nihongo - The goal of this project is to capture the Japanese Language Japanese (Q5287) in its entirety on Wikidata. We aim to give advice and establish standards for representing Japanese words as lexemes
2024-10-16T16:36:18 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Wikidata:WikiProject Temporärhaus - This project is intended to document the activities in the temporaerhaus (Q27945856) with reference to Wikidata
2024-10-16T16:36:27 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> WikiProjects are great opportunities to team up with others on specific topics and enhance Wikidata! 🤝✨ Take a look at them here: Wikidata:WikiProjects and feel free to add new ones to the Wikidata Weekly summary so that others can discover and join in!
2024-10-16T16:36:34 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> And finally, here are some exciting things to watch and read in various languages! 🌍📖🎬
2024-10-16T16:36:40 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> https://podcasts.apple.com/lu/podcast/could-making-wikidata-human-readable-lead-to-better-ai/id1713408769?i=1000672273741&l=de-DE : @nightrose in a podcast discussing our new project aimed at making Wikidata more 'human' readable for Large Language Models (LLMs), which could improve AI reliability by giving these models access to high-quality, human-curated data from Wikidata
2024-10-16T16:36:47 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Adding location coordinates to Wikidata Items (in Dagbanli) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvp1SqPF4c
2024-10-16T16:36:56 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Arabic Wikidata Days 2024 - Session 3: SPARQL Query - Houcemeddine Turki introduces how to forumlate and build SPARQL queries in the Wikidata Query Service : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ukwbX__wWQ
2024-10-16T16:37:02 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Small data, slow data − a SNAIL approach to Wikidata : https://commonists.wordpress.com/2024/10/09/small-data-slow-data-a-snail-approach-to-wikidata/
2024-10-16T16:37:10 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2024/Contents/India_report : Wikimedians-in-residence assigned to add lexicographical data of 5 endangered languages of West Bengal
2024-10-16T16:37:16 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxAqX2qhgcw : Elwin Huaman discuses how Wikibase and Wikidata have helped create a KG to empower local communities and languages
2024-10-16T16:37:21 <Lucas Werkmeister> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "[[Wikidata:WikiProje…" <message_thread_id> for every *page*? not book? o_O
2024-10-16T16:37:22 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Just a quick reminder… 📝✨
2024-10-16T16:37:30 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> It's not too late to join the final iteration of our Wikidata MOOC, running from October 1 to November 14! Whether you're just starting out, need a refresher on Wikidata concepts, or are a seasoned trainer aiming to enhance your skills, this course is perfect for you. Sign up here: Wikidata:Open Online Course 🎓
2024-10-16T16:37:38 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We updated the summary of our development goals for Q.4 at Wikidata:Development plan. Take a look if you haven't had the chance yet
2024-10-16T16:38:03 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Are you building applications or services with Wikidata's data? We'd love to hear from you to help us figure out the future of accessing Wikidata's data. Take the Survey here: Wikidata:Usability and usefulness/2024-Data access methods
2024-10-16T16:38:07 <মাহির মোরশেদ> reply to <Lucas Werkmeister> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> looks like the creator of that WikiProject page disappeared three days after creating it
2024-10-16T16:38:14 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> <link_preview_options> Finally, I’m happy to share that we hired a new AI Project Manager who has joined our team. @philippesaade will help us to figure out how to bring knowledge graphs and generative AI closer together with the goal to make AI more equitable, truthful, participatory, and open. Lydia and Jonathan (Director of Engineering) have been prototyping in this area and recently presented their work at the AI_dev summit : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Qbb1yuLkE
2024-10-16T16:38:26 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Want to stay in the loop about the awesome projects other people are working on? Or maybe you have something to share yourself? Consider subscribing & contributing to the Wikidata newsletter 😊📬 Wikidata:Status updates
2024-10-16T16:38:56 <Lucas Werkmeister> reply to <মাহির মোরশেদ> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> sounds like we should still fix that loophole in the notability policy before someone else has the same idea…
2024-10-16T16:39:02 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Other interesting non-dev things happened outside of Wikidata. Anything from the WIT?, please fill us in!
2024-10-16T16:39:12 <Ifenomenal> Yes we do!
2024-10-16T16:39:37 <Ifenomenal> Apart from hiring and onboarding, we did some research 🔬.
2024-10-16T16:40:02 <Andy Mabbett> I have to leave now; bye all.
2024-10-16T16:40:14 <Sotho Tal Ker> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "[[Wikidata:WikiProje…" <message_thread_id> really?
2024-10-16T16:40:22 <Ifenomenal> <link_preview_options> We looked into how Wikidata usage is measured on other Wikimedia projects (particularly Wikipedia). A report of these findings will be available to read on Commons. We would love to hear your feedback on it. [1]
2024-10-16T16:40:59 <Ifenomenal> <link_preview_options> We also want to Stay in Touch 📞
So, please join our Wikidata-for-Wikimedia mailing list to receive future updates to your email inbox. [2]
2024-10-16T16:41:32 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> reply to <Andy Mabbett> "I have to leave now;…" <message_thread_id> thanks for coming. you can read the chat whenever you're back
2024-10-16T16:41:33 <Ifenomenal> handing it over to Valerie now for more updates
2024-10-16T16:41:42 <Valerie WMDE> Hey everyone :)
2024-10-16T16:42:07 <Jan Ainali> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id> Tip: you can use Special:MyPage and then the link will go to the user page of the user clicking the link (instead of User:Your username here )
2024-10-16T16:42:12 <Valerie WMDE> for those who didn't hear it yet, Deepesha is our new Developer Advocate!
2024-10-16T16:42:31 <Valerie WMDE> <link_preview_options> With her passion for open-source and her background in Computer Science, she'll be a fantastic support for the Suite community. Look out for her in live sessions, office hours, and on Telegram—she's ready to dive in and help! If you're curious to learn more about Deepesha, her responsibilities and passions, have a look at the mailing list announcement: https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/thread/NVDXC2I2BIPF5UMV4LFVAXG6VKLTG4L
2024-10-16T16:42:47 <Deepesha Burse> Hey everyone!
2024-10-16T16:43:11 <Deepesha Burse> It's so nice to be here, excited to learn more about the community :)
2024-10-16T16:43:34 <Valerie WMDE> <link_preview_options> Apart from that, there's a new broadcast channel on Telegram for Cloud users: t.me/wikibasecloudbroadcast. We envision it as a place where the product team of Wikibase Cloud asks occasional questions to the community.🤓
2024-10-16T16:43:52 <Valerie WMDE> <link_preview_options> Thanks to Annie K. our UX Researcher, we identified new opportunities to increase usability and to better understand the initial experience of a Novice user using Wikibase Cloud. Full report can be found here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WBC_Usability_Research_Presentation_(Q2-Q3_2024).pdf
2024-10-16T16:44:18 <Valerie WMDE> We also visited some interesting events 🥁
2024-10-16T16:44:28 <Valerie WMDE> <link_preview_options> Partner Manager Christos V. was invited to speak at the ‘Curationist Metadata Learning and Unlearning Summit’. See recording here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11elwaCz38TA3UE66gnNn5ew8KIxv54Uj/view
2024-10-16T16:44:39 <Valerie WMDE> <link_preview_options> He also went to present at this year’s CEE WIkimedia 2024 (Istanbul), which can be found here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Wikibase_Software_Data_and_Collections_in_the_Linked_Open_Data_web.pdf
2024-10-16T16:45:29 <Valerie WMDE> <link_preview_options> If you want to learn more about Wikibase and the Wikimedia Movement, definitely have a look at this wonderful interview with Wikimedia Servige: https://tech-news.wikimedia.de/2024/09/19/metabase-wikibase-for-the-wikimedia-movement/
2024-10-16T16:46:48 <Valerie WMDE> Lastly, Keren R. UX Researcher for Wikibase Suite conducted an insightful analysis of key challenges and opportunities from 8 pieces of research (from the last 4 years). Stay tuned for the final share out in Q4 🙌
2024-10-16T16:47:04 <Peter Patel-Schneider> reply to <wikilinksbot> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id> 😊
2024-10-16T16:47:04 <Jan Ainali> reply to <wikilinksbot> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id> Final share indeed!
2024-10-16T16:47:10 <Ifenomenal> hahahahaha
2024-10-16T16:47:21 <Christos> :D
2024-10-16T16:47:28 <Valerie WMDE> That's it from my end, I'll pass it onto Lydia :)
2024-10-16T16:47:46 <Valerie WMDE> reply to <Jan Ainali> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> upsie :)
2024-10-16T16:47:51 <Lydia Pintscher> Now we've gone over what happened recently. Let's look at what's coming.
2024-10-16T16:48:42 <Lydia Pintscher> On the Wikidata development side we will continue figuring out how to make it easier to edit on mobile devices. The next steps is mostly a technical investigation of what options we have.
2024-10-16T16:49:06 <Lydia Pintscher> In addition we will continue with the query analysis and evaluate the results of the data access survey.
2024-10-16T16:49:54 <Lydia Pintscher> Another goodie for applications developers (and editors alike!) will be the next XXX days in 2025. It will be another round of Data Reuse Days. We'll prepare for that over the next weeks.
2024-10-16T16:50:27 <Lydia Pintscher> And last but not least we will tie up some loose ends on the Codex design system migration and the mul language code.
2024-10-16T16:50:55 <Lydia Pintscher> What's coming up for the Wikimedia projects integration, Ifeatu?
2024-10-16T16:51:09 <Ifenomenal> Thanks Lydia
2024-10-16T16:51:45 <Ifenomenal> On our end, our developers will continue their onboarding by working on tickets posted to our Phabricator board.🧑‍🎓
2024-10-16T16:51:57 <Ifenomenal> Over to Jon, what do you guys have planned?
2024-10-16T16:52:02 <Jon Amar> Thanks Ifeatu!
2024-10-16T16:52:22 <Jon Amar> In the land of self-hosting, the Suite team plans to address the ease of installing extensions into a Wikibase deployment as well as the discoverability of key extensions already in use across the community.
2024-10-16T16:52:59 <Jon Amar> Fun fact: in the self-hosted instances (that we know about) there are a total of 386 unique extensions currently in use.
2024-10-16T16:53:41 <Jon Amar> We will be building on the refined tooling to align on user-centric processes related to new feature communications across comcom, developer advocacy, and engineering. This will also enable us to move towards more frequent minor and patch releases.
2024-10-16T16:53:54 <Jon Amar> Building on past research synthesis… we plan to kick of a foundation user research project geared towards unearthing user roles and profiles
2024-10-16T16:54:21 <Jon Amar> The Wikibase Cloud team is currently focusing on two initiatives:
2024-10-16T16:54:30 <Jon Amar> Including emerging instances into the scope of federation.
2024-10-16T16:54:45 <Jon Amar> And addressing low-hanging bug fixes, features familiar from Wikidata, quick copy and UI improvements.
2024-10-16T16:55:06 <Jon Amar> That's it for Suite and Cloud ! Back to our MC Mohammed 😄
2024-10-16T16:55:20 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Okay, that was it from us
2024-10-16T16:55:22 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> We’re happy to take a few more (hopefully not too hard) questions from you :D
2024-10-16T16:55:36 <Camillo> reply to <Camillo> "For Wikidata: in the…" <message_thread_id> Any news about T246731 about which I asked in the office hour of April? I (still) think it is really worrying for data reuse of Wikidata
2024-10-16T16:56:07 <Camillo> reply to <Camillo> "For Wikibase Cloud: …" <message_thread_id> And are there any developments for T356397 about which I also asked in the office hour of April?
2024-10-16T16:56:08 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Camillo> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> No news yet :( I'll bump it up on my list. Sorry.
2024-10-16T16:56:56 <Jan Ainali> How big will the cake be at the WMDE office?
2024-10-16T16:57:18 <Jon Amar> reply to <Camillo> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> Thanks for the question. 🙂 The Cloud team is are actively
2024-10-16T16:57:32 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Jan Ainali> "How big will the cak…" <message_thread_id> No cake in the office 😩
We'll all be getting our individual cakes at home :D
2024-10-16T16:57:53 <Jon Amar> reply to <Jon Amar> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> looking into this and will be reply in the ticket with all updates (sorry i pressed enter prematurely!)
2024-10-16T16:57:57 <Camillo> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> for the reuse of dates, also T159160 is quite bad. Could you also add it to this list? It would be great
2024-10-16T16:58:12 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Camillo> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> 👍
2024-10-16T16:58:12 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> who was it that composed a song as a present last time? would love to see more of that :D
2024-10-16T16:58:42 <Camillo> reply to <Camillo> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id,link_preview_options> I also mentioned both in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/Fix_main_bugs_in_Wikidata_and_WDQS_handling_of_dates
2024-10-16T16:58:45 <Romaine> reply to <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> "who was it that comp…" <message_thread_id> must be the Wikidata team with Lydia as composer?
2024-10-16T16:59:23 <GreenReaper> I wonder if EDTF would be useful there? Ah, it seems Jheald had the same idea per the last comment in Jul 2022.
2024-10-16T16:59:31 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Romaine> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> lol
no way :D
2024-10-16T16:59:54 <Camillo> also to @Nightrose : since the number of obsolete identifiers is growing, do you have any thoughts about T306761 ? I think the problem is escalating quickly
2024-10-16T17:00:16 <Romaine> reply to <Lydia Pintscher> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> must be the result of the missing cake 🤔
2024-10-16T17:00:44 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Camillo> "also to @Nightrose :…" <message_thread_id> So far not. Do you already have ideas? If they are in the ticket I'll read it later.
2024-10-16T17:00:54 <Camillo> they are in the ticket
2024-10-16T17:01:00 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Romaine> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> Totally
2024-10-16T17:01:57 <Nicolas VIGNERON> I have don't how to deal with it exactly but I agree, we need to deal with this fast-growing problem
2024-10-16T17:02:17 <Camillo> finally: no development for T312718 right? I remember you were looking for partners to develop it, e.g. among national libraries
2024-10-16T17:02:30 <Nicolas VIGNERON> (plus, insert some rant about "identifier properties" that where never really about an identifier and probably shouldn't have been created)
2024-10-16T17:03:01 <Lydia Pintscher> reply to <Camillo> "finally: no developm…" <message_thread_id> Yeah no news so far unfortunately
2024-10-16T17:03:24 <Sotho Tal Ker> reply to <Camillo> "also to @Nightrose :…" <message_thread_id> delete them :>
2024-10-16T17:04:30 <Lydia Pintscher> Alright. Time for some bragging. What's everyone working on at the moment? What's cool stuff you're doing?
2024-10-16T17:04:37 <Jan Ainali> <document> I made a user script, not exclusive to Wikidata, but the script works there too (and if you install it on your global.js on meta, it works on all projects). It gives a quick glance at the pageviews in the header (and links to the full views). m:User:Ainali/PreViewStats.js
2024-10-16T17:06:01 <Ifenomenal> reply to <Jan Ainali> "<document> I made a …" <message_thread_id> very cool!
2024-10-16T17:06:28 <Camillo> <link_preview_options> @st_alan26 and I had a great 3-days workshop at the National Library of Latvia: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Latvia/NLL_2024
2024-10-16T17:06:46 <Camillo> reply to <Camillo> "<link_preview_option…" <message_thread_id> all our materials are available on Wikidata, and the slides on Commons
2024-10-16T17:06:57 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> And that pretty much wraps up the Wikidata+Wikibase Office Hour today
2024-10-16T17:07:07 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> Thank you all so much for attending! And feel free to keep sharing the cool stuff you are working on
2024-10-16T17:07:13 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> The log will be posted to our social media channels and mailing lists for this who couldn't attend
2024-10-16T17:07:16 <Mohammed Sadat Abdulai> ciao
2024-10-16T17:07:18 <Ifenomenal> Thank you everyone :)
2024-10-16T17:07:30 <Camillo> thanks as always!
2024-10-16T17:07:45 <GreenReaper> Roll on Q1!
2024-10-16T17:07:47 <Peter Patel-Schneider> I'm trying to figure out what to do with the million or so items that are both instances and subclasses of Q8054.
2024-10-16T17:07:52 <Deepesha Burse> Thanks everyone, bye 👋