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June 21, 2011

This article was contributed by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier.

Eight months after Stormy Peters left the post to join Mozilla, the GNOME Foundation has chosen Karen Sandler as its new executive director. Sandler is leaving a position with the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) as general counsel and starting with the Foundation June 21, but will be working part-time for each organization during the transition.

[Karen Sandler]

Prior to joining the SFLC, Sandler was an associate with Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP in New York and Clifford Chance in New York and London. Taking up a position as executive director seems a slight departure from practicing law, even if focused on free software — so what made Sandler choose to pursue working with the GNOME Foundation? Sandler says the appeal is GNOME itself: "It's an incredibly important and impressive software that's been entering a critical time. I can't wait to be a part of that and assist the GNOME community to develop and grow."

She does acknowledge that it's a departure from focusing on legal issues, but says that she's looking forward to the change. "As a lawyer you're generally working to avoid pitfalls and anticipate the worst case scenarios and I'm excited to help much more proactively than that."

So what will Sandler actually be doing as executive director? When Peters held the role, she says that she started by "asking everyone in the GNOME community what they thought I should do." During her time, Peters says that she ran the Foundation's day-to-day operations, served as a contact point for questions, helped build the marketing team and travel committee, and "helped make events happen" though she says events mostly happened thanks to the GNOME community.

Sandler, taking a cue from Peters says that she'll ask what people think she'll be working on, but hopes to spend at least some time on advocacy:

I think as with any ED, one of my main roles will be as a point person for the organization, both as a spokesperson and as someone who is dedicated to listening on its behalf. A lot of organization, facilitation and coordination will undoubtedly come from those roles. I think there's a real opportunity for advocacy and I hope to have the time to really focus on that.

She notes that this isn't dissimilar to what she's been doing for the SFLC already:

My work as General Counsel for SFLC is substantively similar to what I hope I'll be doing for GNOME - a lot of advocacy, organizing, coordination and even fundraising. And of course it's moving from one service role to another. Instead of serving my clients in their legal needs, I'll be serving the GNOME community.

Sandler also points out that there are likely to be a lot of housekeeping tasks that have gathered dust since Peters left for Mozilla and her first days will be "spent getting up to speed, getting to know people, taking care of the administrative backlog and ramping up for the Desktop Summit (and of course following up on items raised during the Summit). I'll also look to renew relationships and generally try to immerse myself in all things GNOME."

Peters left in November 2010, and the search committee for the executive director was announced at the end of December. The committee included Peters, IBM's Robert Sutor, GNOME Foundation director Germán Póo-Caamaño, Kim Weins of OpenLogic, Jonathan Blandford of Red Hat, Luis Villa of Mozilla, former GNOME board member Dave Neary, and Bradley Kuhn of the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC). However, Kuhn says that he stepped down from the committee once Sandler emerged as a serious candidate, as they had worked closely together at the SFLC and SFC; Kuhn also considers her a personal friend.

One thing Sandler won't be doing is driving the technical direction of GNOME. Sandler says that, like Peters, she has "a limited role" in the technical direction of GNOME, and says "I'd support whatever the community and release team decided."

Another large part of the role is fundraising. The executive director is the point person for the advisory board and works to encourage members to sign up and donate not only the advisory board fees, but also to contribute to specific events like GNOME Hackfests.

Financially, the GNOME Foundation is doing well enough. In April 2009 there was a concern that the foundation would be unable to continue the executive director position due to lack of funds. In that message, John Palmieri said that Peters had managed to recruit a number of new corporate sponsors, but "we are still projecting that without a significant influx of steady contributions we will be unable to keep an Executive Director on the payroll without cutting into the activities budget." The foundation started leaning heavily on its Friends of GNOME program for individual donations, and doubled advisory board fees for corporate members from $10,000 per year to $20,000.

Despite the increased fees and additional income from Friends of GNOME, the budget for 2011 shows a decline in income of about $52,000, while the proposed expenditures are higher by about $64,000. Though it's worth noting the expenditures will likely be lower than planned, as it appears the budget was prepared with the expectation an executive director would be hired by March.

The GNOME Foundation budget for 2011 is $518,000 — with $145,510 earmarked for employees, and the executive director position is the largest part of that budget. (The GNOME Foundation also has a part-time system administrator.) So, is the executive director position the best use of GNOME Foundation resources? Sandler says yes:

While responsible for fundraising, the position covers itself but there's a lot more that the position contributes. There's loads of house keeping in running a nonprofit, holding events, facilitating work and coordinating communication amongst all participants in the community. I think it's also really important to have someone speaking and advocating for the project.

Sandler is joining the GNOME Foundation at an interesting time. The GNOME community is looking a bit fragmented at the moment. The GNOME 3.0 release has gotten mixed reviews, some users are feeling dissatisfied with the lack of ability to modify GNOME to suit their needs, and the relationship between GNOME and Canonical is strained at best. The GNOME Shell has not been widely embraced — Fedora 15 has shipped GNOME Shell, but Canonical has gone its own way with Unity, and other GNOME-centric distributions like Linux Mint chose to sit out the GNOME 3.0 release and ship GNOME 2.32.

In short, some would say that GNOME as a project has seen better days. Sandler is not convinced of that:

GNOME 3 has been controversial, but I think that's an exaggeration [that the project has seen better days]. I (and a whole lot of others based on the press I've been reading) think that the rewrite is really great. Some of the choices made in the rewrite were strong decisions and make for a different desktop experience but all were made with what is best for the user in mind. Some people will object to change no matter what it is - you can't make everyone happy. But you can never move forward if you are not prepared to take a few risks, even if it means some of your users will stay with the old version for a while. Honestly, I think GNOME 3 will win users over as it gets worked into into the main distros, but it will take time for that to happen completely.

I've also read that some of the changes coming for GNOME 3 are geared towards developers, which hopefully will make it easier to write great applications for GNOME 3, not to mention just the attractiveness of the platform overall. As GNOME 3 applications improve so will adoption.

Whether GNOME 3 has time to evolve is another question. The Linux desktop, on traditional PCs and laptops, simply is not gaining much traction beyond its current audience. But Linux is being used in a number of mobile systems that address end users, but GNOME in its entirety is not yet there. Sandler says that she believes GNOME 3 will make GNOME more relevant on mobile devices:

It looks great and is designed to be easy to use, not to mention the fact that it already has some touchscreen functionality. I think [...] that there's the potential for a lot of change in the way users think about the desktop but I believe the GNOME 3 rewrite is well positioned to roll with those changes. It's probably worth noting that some mobile vendors are using GNOME technologies (if not GNOME 3 yet).

Sandler is also unwilling to give up on the PC desktop just now. "It's also probably worth noting that desktop computing is still how most people use their computers (I think people forget that sometimes)!"

As for GNOME 3's slow adoption and potential fragmentation, Sandler says that the transition is "still underway and it will take time to see how things really shake out." She says that "strong decisions" will always alienate some people, but she hopes that GNOME can restore relationships. "I think that ultimately good software and good community will fuel increased participation rather than the fragmentation that seems [to] be arising now."

The upcoming Desktop Summit may be a good opportunity to mend some fences, says Sandler. "The GNOME board tells me that there's already a full list of sponsors and attendees for the Desktop Summit (and that Canonical in particular is planning to attend and sponsor the event). I believe that developers in the different distros are all talking to GNOME and I hope that we'll only see more cooperation going forward."

Ultimately, Sandler says she's optimistic about GNOME: "Coming to GNOME is obviously a vote of confidence from me personally. I love my work at SFLC and am only persuaded to leave because I think it's a great opportunity to be a part of a great organization."

One thing is certain, working with GNOME at this stage is likely to be an interesting job. We wish Sandler the best in her new role, and thank her for taking the time to talk with LWN ahead of the announcement.


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Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 10:55 UTC (Wed) by alexl (subscriber, #19068) [Link] (10 responses)

I guess the main takeaway from this article is that the author doesn't like Gnome 3.0?

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 11:47 UTC (Wed) by ewan (guest, #5533) [Link] (4 responses)

I don't think you can get that at all; the nearest you could say is that the author recognises that a lot of previous Gnome users don't like Gnome 3, and regardless of the actual merits or otherwise of the design direction that Gnome 3 is taking, that seems undeniable.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 12:23 UTC (Wed) by alexl (subscriber, #19068) [Link] (3 responses)

I don't deny what you are saying, but that doesn't mean you have to mention it multiple times in an article that is only peripherally related to that fact.

The fact that he repeatedly had to point this out, rather than talk about what Karen would be doing is what bugs me.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 14:29 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link] (2 responses)

> The fact that he repeatedly had to point this out, rather than talk about what Karen would be doing is what bugs me.

Wow. No, really. Wow. You're a bit touchy, aren't you?

The subject of GNOME 3 only appears towards the end, when discussing the context in wich Karen will be developing his duties. All in all, the article only mentions GNOME 3 in a total of 8 (eight!) paragraphs. The whole article is 27 paragraphs. It's barely a quarter of the article. Now, would you really call this "repeatedly pointing out"? Really?

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 5:05 UTC (Thu) by nirbheek (subscriber, #54111) [Link] (1 responses)

When someone spends months and months on a project, working more than is expected, on something that they think is really great and will make the lives of users easier; broad-sweeping assertions and dismissive remarks about how the heavens are falling because of the hard work put in, will of course lead to happy happy smiley faces on all sides.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 14:53 UTC (Thu) by jzb (editor, #7867) [Link]

The amount of work notwithstanding, all of the questions I posed to Karen were based on the reality facing GNOME as she takes the job. "Happy smiley faces" are not really the objective - asking legitimate questions is. As a long-time user of GNOME, I don't see the current release as a marked improvement. As an observer of the industry, I only see one company that seems pleased with GNOME Shell -- and that's a company that doesn't express any interest in pursuing desktop Linux. The company / project that has the largest share of the Linux desktop has essentially rejected GNOME Shell and seems to be moving towards Qt.

In short - The questions were legitimate, and you can be pretty sure other reporters will ask the same things if they interview Karen.

Why should we expect softball pitches from LWN ...

Posted Jun 24, 2011 7:07 UTC (Fri) by kmself (guest, #11565) [Link] (3 responses)

... just because it happens to be covering your pet project.

I want to see the closets emptied and the skeletons rattled. That's what I'm paying for with my subscription, and it's the fair and unsensational airing of issues in an area of tech I care a lot about, but which falls flat in the mainstream tech media because it's "noncommercial", is a core value proposition of LWN.

I do however protest most stridently the utter lack of coverage of recent news and development for my favorite, and The One True, window manager, WindowMaker.

I mean, not just last September did Debian rebuild against libjpeg to pick up unversioned symbols in an NMU.

Future article idea

Posted Jun 26, 2011 7:27 UTC (Sun) by speedster1 (guest, #8143) [Link] (2 responses)

I nominate you to contribute an LWN article on WindowMaker! WindowMaker for the win, yes!!

:)

Future article idea

Posted Jun 26, 2011 8:09 UTC (Sun) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (1 responses)

well, the lack of recent coverage could be related to the lack of recent development (or at least releases)

the latest item in the news on the main page is from 2008 and the lastest release is from 2005

Future article idea

Posted Jun 26, 2011 16:46 UTC (Sun) by speedster1 (guest, #8143) [Link]

Well yes -- but if kmself took up my (somewhat joking) challenge and wrote up an article on windowmaker as an example of the classic windowmanager paradigm contrasted to the all-in-one desktop environments that you get with most default linux installs... it could get published here.

No fair challenging me to do it myself; comments are about as much writing as I can stand. I squeaked through grad school with an impressively short list of papers ;^)

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 24, 2011 9:07 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link]

I guess the main takeaway from your comment is that Zonker states facts and that you don't like the facts?

To make it clear what I mean: Zonker states (a) that the GNOME user community is not unanimously rallied behind GNOME 3 design decisions, in particular concerning the GNOME shell, quite the contrary; and (b) that the Linux desktop doesn't take traction beyond its current audience. Writing as somebody who's interested in current Linux desktop developments, these observations seems spot on.

FWIW, a disclaimer: I don't use GNOME at all, neither GNOME 2 nor GNOME 3. So please don't pin the label "doesn't like change" on me.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 22, 2011 12:46 UTC (Wed) by njwhite (subscriber, #51848) [Link]

I'm very happy about this, and wish Karen the best in her new role.

It seems (from very much an outsider position) like a good strong spokeswoman would have been useful in addressing some of the recent (non-technical) difficulties related with Gnome3.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 3:01 UTC (Thu) by ringerc (subscriber, #3071) [Link] (3 responses)

I was hoping this change of staff might bring some new ideas, but it seems their new staff member is already well into the ethos of the org.

"All [the changes] were made with what is best for the user in mind" reads a lot like: We're just doing what's best for you you understand, it's for your own good. There is only one class of "user", so we already understand everything we need to.

Sigh.

Bitter? Not really; I'm benefiting from the freely given work of others and have no right to bitterness or - really - even complaint. If I don't like it, I should fix it or go elsewhere. Since they won't accept changes to fix some of the things I (and some others) need, that means I must go elsewhere or fork. Maintaining a GNOME fork isn't realistic. I'm kind of stuck with "like it or lump it".

My use of GNOME is of no benefit to the GNOME project, so "threatening" to go elsewhere is meaningless and pointless. Why do people think it means something? It's not like they're a customer. I've been on the receiving end of this, and it's a mixture of annoying and laughable to have someone using the work you published for free demand that you change it to fit their needs.

I guess the powerlessness is the frustrating bit, combined with the *removal* of things that *used* to work well. I'm not permitted to fix or add things, can't hope to maintain a fork, and have no way to influence proceedings or convince anyone. So instead I get to learn how much of a step back from GNOME 2 it is to use XFCE.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 5:12 UTC (Thu) by nirbheek (subscriber, #54111) [Link]

> I was hoping this change of staff might bring some new ideas, but it seems their new staff member is already well into the ethos of the org.

> "All [the changes] were made with what is best for the user in mind" reads a lot like: We're just doing what's best for you you understand, it's for your own good. There is only one class of "user", so we already understand everything we need to.

You're expecting technical direction from her?

I believe the article says:

> One thing Sandler won't be doing is driving the technical direction of GNOME. Sandler says that, like Peters, she has "a limited role" in the technical direction of GNOME, and says "I'd support whatever the community and release team decided."

So, that settles that.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 24, 2011 11:08 UTC (Fri) by brouhaha (guest, #1698) [Link] (1 responses)

It's been obvious for a long time that the GNOME developers don't care about their existing users. They've been dumbing it down for a long time to attract new users, without any concern about losing existing users, e.g., removing Emacs key bindings, changing to and from spatial navigation, etc. I have a hard time believing that it's a viable strategy, but who knows.

I spent a few days with GNOME 3, then moved to XFCE. It doesn't seem like that much of a step back from GNOME 2 to me. I'm much more productive with XFCE than with GNOME 3, so I don't care what the GNOME developers do from here on out. I'm not "threatening" to go elsewhere; I've gone. The GNOME developers won't care, and that's fine.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 30, 2011 19:53 UTC (Thu) by Zizzle (guest, #67739) [Link]

And ironically they have alienated themselves from all the new-user friendly distros.

How do they expect to attract "Ma & Pa" users? With Fedora?

On the other hand they have alienated long time users by dropping functionality and making common tasks harder or require more clicks/mouse. Taking a hard line on annoying things like the accessibility icon not being removed from the (largely useless and wasted) panel.

Not to mention a bunch of hostile personalities representing the project here on LWN (including attacking the editors and writers).

I still follow planet.gnome.org, but not sure where I will go in the next distro cycle. Ubuntu is dropping GNOME 2. Fedora has swallowed the GNOME 3 pill.

A major set back for the Linux desktop. Hopefully XFCE is up to scratch.

Audio of Karen Sandler announcing her new position

Posted Jun 23, 2011 16:30 UTC (Thu) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link]

For those interested, I co-present an oggcast, called Free as in Freedom (FaiF) with Karen Sandler. She talks about her new position on Episode 0x12 of FaiF.

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 23, 2011 23:59 UTC (Thu) by jordanb (guest, #45668) [Link] (1 responses)

If GNOME were a WWII liberty ship, GNOME Shell would be a Nazi torpedo...

Karen Sandler on her new role at GNOME

Posted Jun 27, 2011 18:30 UTC (Mon) by knobunc (subscriber, #4678) [Link]

"Please try to be polite, respectful, and informative".


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