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- Result: Delist as doesn't meet GA criteria 2 or 3 (insufficient citations and lack of recent updates). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Article has "This section needs to be updated" tags in five sections: Economy, Transport, Demographics, Education, Sports, and As of 2019, the Croatian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and European Integration employed 1,381[needs update]
. It also has "needs additional citations for verification" tag for Sports, and a 'citation needed' in Healthcare section. 'clarification needed' is in Independent Croatia (1991–present) section. With 6 big orange templates article needs work to remain a GA. Artem.G (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Slightly longer than preferable, and with some oversubsectioning. However, overall not a bad article as far as country articles go, hopefully this can be fixed. CMD (talk) 07:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delist: sections need to be updated, while citations are needed in selected places. As CMD noted, should be fairly easy to get back to GA standard, should someone wish to. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
text s/b Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor (not King Charles III)
editHello, newbie to editing here. Thanks, Annette (Amcarlson4)
In section: History: Personal union with Hungary (1102) and Habsburg Monarchy (1527)...
I noticed the text "King Charles III"... shouldn't this be "Emperor Charles VI"? as it is in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Croatia_(Habsburg)#The_Enlightened_Absolutism_Period. (the link is correct to Emperor Charles VI)
(King Charles III was born in 1948, Emperor Charles VI was born in 1685)
OLD TEXT:
The Croatian Parliament supported King Charles III's Pragmatic Sanction and signed their own Pragmatic Sanction in 1712. Subsequently, the emperor pledged to respect all privileges and political rights of the Kingdom of Croatia, and Queen Maria Theresa made significant contributions to Croatian affairs, such as introducing compulsory education.
PROPOSED NEW TEXT:
The Croatian Parliament supported Emperor Charles VI's Pragmatic Sanction and signed their own Pragmatic Sanction in 1712. Subsequently, the emperor pledged to respect all privileges and political rights of the Kingdom of Croatia, and Queen Maria Theresa made significant contributions to Croatian affairs, such as introducing compulsory education. Amcarlson4 (talk) 11:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Amcarlson4 I think it's the ordinal in context - this Charles was likely the third king of Croatia named that way. Perhaps we could use a topical redirect to make this clearer. --Joy (talk) 18:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Joy,
- Thanks for your reply. I "vote" to use the "Emperor Charles VI" as the text of the link to the wikipedia page titled "Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor"
- Here's my reasoning:
- 1) This paragraph is about the Pragmatic Sanction... this was signed by Emperor Charles VI in 1712.
- 2) "Charles VI" was Holy Roman Emperor and ruler of the Austrian Habsburg monarchy from 1711 until his death in 1740. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_VI,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
- 3) There is mention (in the Charles_VI wiki page) of a King of Spain as Charles III in 1759. -- this is a different person, who has a different wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_III_of_Spain
- 4) There was a King of Bohemia, Charles III (Karel III.) 1916–1918 Grandnephew of Francis Joseph I. Also Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary. -- This is also a different person. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Austria
- 5) Using "Charles III" here will confuse the reader, because the current King of England, Charles III (2022 – present) is very well known to the public and he has been in the media ever since his birth in 1948 to Queen Elizabeth II. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_III. Amcarlson4 (talk) 23:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- In relation to a description of a long past event of Croatian history, it's perfectly reasonable to use the nomenclature relevant in that context, but link to the precise person to help the reader understand who specifically is talked about. If we compare what e.g. the Croatian Encyclopedia does, their article about the monarch is at https://www.enciklopedija.hr/clanak/karlo-vi and they clearly use both Karlo VI. and Karlo III.. Ambiguity is a simple fact of life, and it can definitely lead to confusion, but there's no mention of the British or Bohemian monarchs in this context, and the link is correct, so it's hard to see where the confusion would arise. Likewise, changing the text to say "Charles VI" would also be visibly ambiguous with all the other monarchs refered to that way, so I'm not sure I see a big difference even if we went through with that change. --Joy (talk) 15:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- ok, I give up. Amcarlson4 (talk) 15:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- In relation to a description of a long past event of Croatian history, it's perfectly reasonable to use the nomenclature relevant in that context, but link to the precise person to help the reader understand who specifically is talked about. If we compare what e.g. the Croatian Encyclopedia does, their article about the monarch is at https://www.enciklopedija.hr/clanak/karlo-vi and they clearly use both Karlo VI. and Karlo III.. Ambiguity is a simple fact of life, and it can definitely lead to confusion, but there's no mention of the British or Bohemian monarchs in this context, and the link is correct, so it's hard to see where the confusion would arise. Likewise, changing the text to say "Charles VI" would also be visibly ambiguous with all the other monarchs refered to that way, so I'm not sure I see a big difference even if we went through with that change. --Joy (talk) 15:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Comments and questions
edit1. The article says "During the 5th century, the last de jure Western Roman Emperor Julius Nepos ruled a small realm from the palace after fleeing Italy in 475."
However, it's not clear what is the "palace" in question. I assume it's Diocletian's palace which is the likely residence of Julius Nepos during his nominal continued reign in Dalmatia (as stated in the article on Julius Nepos).
2. The section "Personal union with Hungary (1102) and Habsburg Monarchy (1527)" ends with WWI.
It does not say anything more than that. At least it should explain how it started. I believe a short paragraph is needed since WWI was a major event in Europe (not only Croatia).
3. The image of the Danube river is pointless.
4a. The image in the "Climate" section was previously showing the bora but some genius removed it and placed an image that shows something completely unrelated to the bora. Please fix image and caption as necessary. It does not make sense.
4b. The "Climate" section mentions bora and bura. Let's try to stick to a single spelling for better clarity and uniformity.
5. The text says "As of May 2019, the Croatian military had 72 members stationed in foreign countries as part of United Nations-led international peacekeeping forces. As of 2019, 323 troops served the NATO-led ISAF force in Afghanistan. Another 156 served with KFOR in Kosovo."
It should be updated to 2024.
6. The text says "As a result of the war, economic infrastructure sustained massive damage, particularly the tourism industry."
What war is it? This is ambiguous. There is a lack of clarity.
7. The text says "The population decrease was greater a result of war for independence."
Is this even grammatically correct?
8. The image of the Šibenik Cathedral is ugly and it can be replaced with a better one with a better angle (from the front of the building).
9. The text says "Twenty of these schools got specialised assistance in the form of gear".
What does "gear" mean in this context? I speak English and it does not make sense to me.
10. The text says "As of January 2021, there are thirteen nationwide free-to-air DVB-T television channels, with Croatian Radiotelevision (HRT) operating four, RTL Televizija three, and Nova TV operating two channels, and the Croatian Olympic Committee, Kapital Net d.o.o., and Author d.o.o. companies operate the remaining three."
The are too many instances of "and". They are redundant/repetitive.
11. Chess is included in the sports section. It's not really a sport. It's not physical but mental. Football, racing and swimming are sports.
12. Some genius replaced the 4 images of traditional Croatian food with a single image of Zagorski štrukli. The previous image offered more national variety and it was a better choice.
13. The text says "Croatian athletes won 16 gold medals at world championships".
I find "world championships" very general.