Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coat of arms of Malaysia.svg

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File:Coat_of_arms_of_Malaysia.svg

Derivative work: File:Flag of Putrajaya.svg

The modern coat of arms was adopted in 1963. According to http://www.myipo.gov.my/acts/Copyright.pdf this work is not free until 2013 (government works are copyrighted). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

 Neutral - Derivative work here File:Flag of Putrajaya.svg. –Krinkle^talk 10:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Flag of Putrajaya.svg contains COA of Malaysia. And Putrajaya is a city of Malaysia. If COA of Malaysia is protected by copyright, File:Flag of Putrajaya.svg should also be deleted. – Kwj2772 (msg) 10:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Acting boldly, I put the notice on the Putrajaya flag, directing to this Deletion request. Jappalang (talk) 03:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

 Keep - Unable to access the url given; and it is pd-self. Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 11:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

http://www.swinburne.edu.my/docs/library/copyright_act_1987.pdf and even though it was drawn by a user, it is a derivative work of something that is copyrighted. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 16:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and it seems like PD-Malaysia to me. To be correct, the modern coat of arms was adopted in 1965 or 1973, not 1963. And if it is true that the image is copyrighted, then commons may need to delete the Malaysian flag too since it was adopted in 1963–also should be applied to hundreds of derivative works of the flag. Well, I think there might be some exclusions somewhere regarding the copyrights of the Malaysian flag and emblem. Need to do some thorough checking. Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 18:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I checked. There is no exception that I could find for emblems, let alone legislation. Well, if the flag needs to be deleted, then so be it. I will try and look again, but I do not hold much hope. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I notice a problem. The template says "Text of laws, judicial opinions, and other government reports are free from copyright." However, I am not finding that text at all. The closest thing I can find is in Part 3, Section 13, Subsection 2 Point I: "any use of a work for the purposes of any judicial proceedings, the proceedings of a royal commission, a legislative body, a statutory or Governmental inquiry, or of any report of any such proceedings, or for the purpose of the giving of professional advice by a legal practitioner;" is something that cannot be controled by the author. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, the Malaysian flag might be {{PD-shape}}; the crescent and star might be too simple to qualify as complex geometric shapes. The coat of arms, however, illustrates animals, trees, and other non-simple objects; hence, eligible for copyright (unless all those elements are reproductions of PD imagery). Jappalang (talk) 03:49, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Is there any international standars on the usage of flags? By the way, I found this (from here) "Flags, or any other object subject to copyright, are never actively "copyrighted" according to modern intellectual property law. The copyright protection comes naturally, whether you want it or not, when you create a work of art or literature. This has always been the case in European copyright laws, and is the same in the US copyright law since at least a decade and a half back. Then it is up to you as creator or owner of the said work to release it to common use if you want to."

And from here, I can see that flags are being referred to as "Marks" or "Trade marks".

And something more interesting over here and here, Digital Millenium Copyright Act 1998 "1302. Designs not subject to protection. Protection under this chapter shall not be available for a design that is—(1) not original; (2) staple or commonplace, such as a standard geometric figure, a familiar symbol, an emblem, or a motif, or another shape, pattern, or configuration which has become standard, common, prevalent, or ordinary; (3) different from a design excluded by paragraph (2) only in insignificant details or in elements which are variants commonly used in the relevant trades". Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 23:28, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot of countries in the former USSR that will put their symbols into the public domain, like other nations. However, the second thing that you cite is for anything that is newly copyrighted in the United States. A flag or a coat of arms being a trademark or under special use protections is ignore on the Commons (like you have to be a government agent to use it). We just focus on copyright. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

 Delete: Like it or not, flags and symbols (with complex artistic elements) can be copyrighted, especially for this country (ironic note: Malaysia's FoP law is more "free" than most other countries). Jappalang (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

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Deleted, coat of arms still protected by copyright, and no exception for "state symbols" found in the Malasyan copyright law. The flag would be {{PD-ineligible}}. Kameraad Pjotr 19:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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File:Coat_of_arms_of_Malaysia.svg

"According to article 11 works by the Government, Governmental Organizations and International organizations are subject to copyright until 50 years after publication (article 23). Text of laws, judicial opinions, and other government reports, however, are always free from copyright. (article 3 - the defination of “literary work”)" The arms was changed in 1965 and cannot be hosted here under the current license. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:09, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of Malaysia.svg

This file was initially tagged by Jeff G. as Copyvio (copyvio) and the most recent rationale was: No government exception cited at Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Malaysia.

Speedy deletion is unacceptable for a file with such broad use. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

 Keep It has been used by many articles and if you delete the coats of arms, you might as well delete the flag. This nomination does not make any sense at all. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 16:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

 Keep This Jeff G. orang putih doesn't even know the basics of Malaysian law. The Malaysian Copyright Act 1987 in Clause 23 stipulates that copyright of works by the government last only 50 years. n_niyaz (talk) 09:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)